/lit/ - Literature

This has been said before, his ideas correlate with Confucianism and all that entails and is only supposed to do that for you, some life is sometimes better than no life, for most people. Which is actually the real mentality of the 'worker'.

t. commie

>>10103715

According to his logic I should be depressed. But I refuse to admit it. Fuck him.

>>10103715
>false dichotomy of capitalism vs socialism
???

He spends the video talking about why post-modernism is stupid and wrong. He also admits he hasn't read any Derrida. Ignore the chump.

>>10103766
t. brainlet who still thinks in terms of the economy

>>10103776
t. brainlet who thinks the particular video is related to the post

>>10103715
Peterson is right about literally everything

>>10103754
Confucianism is the reason China has always been a primitive shithole, never evolving.

>>10103715
I think Peterson is really pretty stellar as far as his target audience goes, that being 18-25 year old NEETs. I think you might be misreading him, he never really endorses the "false values" you say he does. He has an entire series on the bible and yet you say he's trying to quench spirituality? You're all over the place.

>>10103806
DUDE PRIMITIVISM BAD CIVILISATION GOOD LMAO

>>10103827
Go live in the fucking Congo then.

>>10103715
>nor content (for their life is continually distracted by false values such as work, building a reputation, cv etc).
Why are these false values? Why does contentment mean complacency to you?

>>10103835
DUDE, I ONLY THINK IN TERMS OF WEALTH AND POVERTY, LMAO

>>10103840
Nice reading comprehension, idiot

>>10103715
well said OP.

>>10103821
What are you talking about? He's huge with normies.

>>10103715
Dangerous to who exactly? How is a society built on the premise that people do jobs equivalent to their threshold for complexity a danger to anyone? In fact, Western society is already fucking based on that premise, it has been for centuries.

What is even the fucking ALTERNATIVE to such a premise? Let people do jobs they can't handle? Let people do jobs they are overqualified for?

The only concern here that I can conceive of is if you are extremely afraid of being found out for the fraud that you are in whatever particular position you're currently in. In which case, you are a parasite.

>>10103952
>In fact, Western society is already fucking based on that premise, it has been for centuries.

Yes and that's why it's been declining for centuries. Your point?

>>10103960
It's declining as fast as it's advancing. It's really all a matter of where you look. You might see endless discussions online about social decadence and catastrophes on the news, but meanwhile, we have enormously mind-blowing technologies being developed and invented, and massive research projects being undergone, as we communicate right now. The important thing is to realize who is focusing on the former all day long and who is watching all of the catastrophes and changing their lives for these things. Protip: it's the declining group in society who are.

Shut up tankie, you don't understand Peterson.

>>10103806
China is evolving, it just thinks it can outwest the west. Truth is it's culture allows for the much memed super autistic math genius because the pressure is there to do well because confucian ideas of a functioning society. But it is just a society built on ever better infrastructure and things, albeit things created by the nurturing of useful skills. But I've met Chinese students and such and they're basically polyps on western culture, one I half knew changed her name to Abigail in honour of her favourite western character Hannibal, all of them use western apps and dress like westerners. None of them in essence thinks for themselves which is why they have the authoritarian system they have at home, held up by Confucianism. I will admit it comes across as an empty vapid place and people, disregarding their history pre opium wars, but it is evolving.

>>10103821
He's pretty normie-tier, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Most of the boys from this generation probably had some loser "do what you want" dad who never taught them the value of hard work. He's basically just a dad for a bunch of NEETs. He tells them to keep their heads down and do their work. For fuck's sake, his most memed phrase is "clean your room".
>>10103827
Literally yes: primitivism bad, civilization good.
>break leg
>die

>>10103802
This. Only leftists hate him because he speaks the truth.

>>10103970
>, but meanwhile, we have enormously mind-blowing technologies being developed and invented, and massive research projects being undergone, as we communicate right now

And? You think I care about """technology"""?

>>10104012
Obviously not, since you are a declining pleb.

>>10104018
Brainlet still thinks in terms of Whiggism and continual progression of history.

>>10104012
>And? You think I care about """technology"""?
How often do you buy a new smart phone? How often are you outside without your smart phone? When waiting, do you invariably fiddle with your smart phone?

>>10104028
>How often do you buy a new smart phone? How often are you outside without your smart phone? When waiting, do you invariably fiddle with your smart phone?

Are you one of these brainlets that thinks if you interact with a field/object/thing/subject that it means you inherently advocate its effect on society?

>>10104026
I don't. You are still a declining pleb. Enjoy being trampled on by the ultrarich's robot servants in the coming decades.

>>10104041
>I don't. You are still a declining pleb

Continue using my language, brainlet. Too stupid to develop your own style?

>>10104035
lol just what I thought... another sheltered urbanfag who has never stepped outside of his technocomfortzone thinking he's Kaczynski Crusoe.

>>10104044
STOMP

>>10104047
Brainlet thinks you can escape the Capitalist system? Brainlet doesn't realise that to reject the Capitalist system and boycott products is to still act within it? Brainlet is too stupid to realise that purchasing products only hastens Capitalism's decline by further using up resources and pushing inflation?

>>10104060
>I'm living in dull comfort and distraction exactly like every other capitalist sheep
>the difference is, I've created a juvenile defense mechanism that fools me into thinking I'm superior
kek low-functioning sour grapes retard detected. Describe your current life. Let me guess: living at home? Think you are smarter than everyone despite any metrics to back up this claim? Consider yourself brilliant but lazy/unmotivated/"don't want to be part of the system"? Think you are some alpha predator instead of a flabby, moody loser who has never stepped out of his comfort zone?

Tell us more, philosopher, this is your podium after all :)

If Mike Rowe is Big Bang Theory, Jordan Peterson is Rick and Morty.

>>10104095
Brainlet thinks having a different belief system equates to narcissism? Brainlet believes in egalitarianism?

>>10104111
> If Mike Rowe is Big Bang Theory, Jordan Peterson is Rick and Morty.

Based on how much 4chan loves him compared to Reddit, I think he's more like MLP

>>10103715
This guy is dangerous to no one, which is way more damning.

soooooooooo Plato's Republic

>>10104028
>all that projecting
Nigga, I don't even have a phone.

>>10103970
>we have enormously mind-blowing technologies being developed and invented, and massive research projects being undergone, as we communicate right now.
m8, that's exactly just another part of the "decadence". All these information/communication technology are not only needed as a prosthesis for the social but they also decay the social even more. Which is fine by me, I personally like the irony of technology.

>>10103952
>it has been for centuries
You might open a history book. Capitalism hasn't been here "for centuries", neither has human activity always existed in the form of productive labour. Which is where both capitalists and marxists are short-sighted.

The more I see Peterson criticized, the more I like him.

>>10103884
He's unheard of outside this website designed for losers and outcasts.

>>10104111
I actually laughed to that

>>10104287
>m8, that's exactly just another part of the "decadence"
Nice try, poorfag. There's nothing decadent about increasingly complex technology and measuring instruments or being engaged in their creation, which involves exploring areas of the unknown (which requires daring and excess energy).

>>10103806
>China is a major global superpower with a turbulent history over the past two centuries
>China is a primitive shithole that hasn't evolved
Literally what.

>capitalism
>bad

>a man encouraging young men to take on responsibility, pursue their passions, and start a family
>somehow dangerous

and this is how I know you're a leftist

the only thing this is dangerous to is the state

I can't tell if OP is writing a satire or genuine.
Either way, that's common sense to me what Peterson is talking about.

>>10103715
>milquetoast Canadian liberal becomes e-famous worldwide by saying government shouldn't arrest people who refuse to use pronouns literally invented on Tumblr in 2015
>acts like a foster father to a bunch of autistic NEETs, telling them to get their lives in order and avoid totalitarian, genocidal ideologies like fascism and communism
>this makes some other autistic NEETs so fucking mad that they need to spam a fucking literature board of an anime comedy internet forum with hourly hate threads, decrying him as a bad influence
>these very same people spam meta threads crying about other people shitting up the board with off-topic politics bullshit

Peterson always sounds like he's spouting complete nonsense to me. Especially his talk about how, because stories tend to have similar trends across cultures, that somehow reveals a greater truth about human nature and origin. Although I haven't seen anything by him in quite a while and I've seen very little, so surely I'm misrepresenting him right now.

Also, the fact that he's a Christian makes me very skeptical of him.

>>10104788
This. All he wants is to help you yet lefties get their panties in a twist because he dismisses charlatans

>>10105248
>dismisses charlatans
>is a charlatan

>>10103988
>one I half knew changed her name to Abigail in honour of her favourite western character Hannibal
wew, i mean chinese people getting a western 2nd name has always been a thing, but choosing a girl that was first groomed by her serial killer father, and then further groomed by a cannibal doesn't sound like a very well adjusted choice

she was cute though :3

>>10105240
>that somehow reveals a greater truth about human nature and origin. Although I haven't seen anything by him in quite a while and I've seen very little, so surely I'm
i think it would be more fair to say that they reveal a functioning underlying logic or structure. not necessarily that the structure is eternal, unchangeable, unique, complete, or that alternatives to it may not be created at some point

but yeah he rejects blind adherence to progress and change and warns that when we leave things behind, we may be leaving more than we thought at the moment

anyway he is a pleb

>>10104788
You're a brainlet. These are just words he uses, but you also know that the use of these words by themselves do not give you any indication on how to follow them, so what he does? He tells you how to follow them, he tells you how you should follow passions, how you should have a family, what are your responsabilities and so on. he is not only telling you that you have to do something, but he is also telling you the way in which that something has to be done, and in this second part of the process his ideology creeps on his less educated listeners.
Dummies like you will hear the words "responsability" and think "that's good, he is good", while not thinking about the obvious conclusions of what he is saying.
In the same way, for example, he will tlel you that he is not a nihilist, while also telling you that he is in fact a nihilist and that he believes in things for purely psychological reasons. Somehow his philosophical claims get mixed with his psychological ones, and he knows that, so he will talk about very practical things and imbue them with as much of his ideology and value hierqrchies as possible, and then he repackages this potpourri into a psychological advice. People say "sort yourself out" and in that 3 words sentence a world of unfounded implications is present.

He clearly knows what he is doing.

>>10103988
China is not advancing due to Confucianism, in fact you migt even say that they are advancing because it has been eradicared from their common sense.

>>10103802

Yeah his total agreement with standard dogma really speaks to me.

>>10103802
yeah totally man fuck those postmodern neomarxist sjws

>>10105314
Lol, C.S. Lewis made that same claim in Miracles and Elizabeth Anscombe BTFO out of him for it

>>10105314
everyone is allowed a twitter post written using a quarter of your normal IQ from time to time

OP, how is this the message you take from Peterson? "He serves to quench any sense of spirituality out from under our noses"? You have to be trolling because that's almost the complete opposite of what he's advocating, most notably in the "maps of meaning" lectures/courses and the book they're based on.

He also speaks very little of economy and his musings on Marxism are virtually always placed in a context of the totalitarian manifestations of Marxist doctrine rather than Marxism as an economic model.

>>10105325
i mean in his book he tries to extrapolate godels incompleteness theorem onto moral and cultural systems. seems like a pretty common theme to me

>>10104788
>and this is how I know you're a leftist
and him saying that he's the next stage of capitalism didn't?

i feel that jordan peterson ,the idea, has far out paced the man, jordan peterson.

he's just another thinker trying to give the worried and tired masses an answer that they can use and hold on to.

>>10104310
>capitalism hasn't existed for centuries

This is only true if you think capitalism != markets, which have existed since early civilization

>>10105294
whoa dude, pass me the joint

>>10104118
>brainlet took high school philosophy and has a philosophy infographic or two
Post a thread when you grow up, kid.

>>10105294
I'm not the guy you're squabbling with, but you're one pretentious cunt. You call him "brainlet" and "dummy" yet you have a numerous typos, shit grammar, and poor reasoning.
If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd have already cured cancer and solved the planet's energy crisis, but instead you're calling people names on 4chan and preening about bullshit in vague terms.
Get cancer and die in a house fire, mate.

>>10103715
My dude, this is an advocation for Socialism.

>>10103715
That interview was epic as fuck though, regardless of whether you agree with anything they say.

It really annoys me that leftists can't even give their own devils their due.

>>10104788
>the only thing this is dangerous to is the state
how is having a job and a family dangerous to the state?

>>10105294
>this whole post

>>10105576
States in the West actively work against nuclear family, stability, family values and jobs.

>>10105240
>Also, the fact that he's a Christian makes me very skeptical of him.
He's a cultural "Christian" at best it's mission impossible to get his opinion on the existence of God and somehow even harder to get him to say if he's a Christian or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvmwlX1upQ&ab_channel=CogentCanine
From what i know of him Christianity is this almost utilitarian civilization wide foundational myth.
Even if he was Christian though why would that make you very skeptical of him ?

>>10105623
holy shit he looked uncomfortable there

>>10105623
what video is this from?

>>10105623
Boy upon re-watching those "epic meme pop culture references" every 5 seconds get really annoying really immediately

>>10105662
No idea you could probably find it in the comments i think

>>10105314
>claims to speak for the preservation of traditional moral values
>hasn't read or didn't understand Parmenides and consequently misinterprets how 'muh logos' functions on a fundamental level

>>10105623
>Even if he was Christian though why would that make you very skeptical of him ?
Because Christianity is a load of bullshit and if he's reached the conclusion that it isn't there must be something wrong with his judgement

>>10104310
I understand the argument you are making, but even if you say that "capitalism" is only mixed market capitalism, it has already existed for "centuries". There wasn't a central issuer of "dollars" prior to the fed, but there was "capitalism" in the British colonies prior to the US. It was even mixed market capitalism with taxation and government spending on market industries.

Tl;dr I know it is really hip and edgy to say that "capitalism" as a system is such a terrible thing, but stop being a goofy goober when you argue that point.

>>10104813
>I can't tell if OP is writing a satire or genuine.

There are a bunch of either trolls or buttblasted fuckwits trying to imitate both the worst parts of both /pol/ and leftists here lately. The former currently outweigh the latter by a large amount of posts, but it wouldn't surprise me if a reversal kicks in soon and we start seeing more ruse posts of people pretending to be typical leftists.

>>10105688
So anyone who doesn't think that Christianity is "a load of bullshit" has problems with his/her judgement ?

>>10103715
Go away pseud.

>>10105705
Yes. At least in that aspect.
That doesn't mean they can't reach the right conclusions regarding other things, but holding a belief of that sort is bound to inform one's personal philosophy, so that in many ways it will just be a rationalisation/apology of the religion.

>>10105705
I mean, wouldn't you be skeptical of a Scientologist philosopher, just based on the fact that they're a Scientologist? Granted, Christianity is not a mind-control cult in the way Scientology is, but it still informs one's beliefs. When one's beliefs are based on bullshit, it's not a very good sign.

>>10105705
The Christian belief system is definitely a step forward from the Jewish one, imo Christianity was progressive as hell for its time, but as a person who understands that magic is just a word we use to label things we don't understand I can't get around the impossible amount and nature of miracles Jesus allegedly brought about, healing and resurrecting people by nothing more than a word and giving his disciples the power to perform miracles as well.
Seriously, I'd be much more willing to believe he was the child of god if he'd just gone around preaching a new covenant and died on the cross, branded a heretic.

>>10103781
t. commie

>He also continues on the false debate that is the false dichotomy of capitalism vs socialism

Why is this a false dichotomy? Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production whereas socialism the public/democratic ownership of the means of production. They are, by definition, diametrically opposed.

Have fun avoiding the empirically verifiable details of our material reality to focus on your "spiritual" metaphysical sophistry, OP.

>>10105731
It would depend on the topic though ultimately we're just going off different premises i assume both of you don't believe in God i might be wrong though
And no i'm not Christian

>>10105746
>imo Christianity was progressive as hell for its time
That doesn't mean much and i think judging Christianity based on a pre-existing set of morals instead of the claimed divine nature is going about it the wrong way though ethically you could definitely make the case for much of what Christianity even using modern secular and humanist premises.
As for miracles i recommend reading this ;
http://www.sophia-project.org/uploads/1/3/9/5/13955288/newman_miracles.pdf
It's only 7 pages long

>>10105765
How is it a false dichotomy, when you literally just explained how it is a mutually exclusive dichotomy?

>>10105778
>It would depend on the topic though
Of course. I mean if a Christian is talking about math, how to make sculptures, economics or other things, they're not as likely to be compromised by their beliefs. But if they're talking about how one should live their life, then I'm going to have to take whatever they say with a pinch of salt

>>10105800
I know, that was my point. I was challenging OP's post.

>>10105533
>you're one pretentious cunt. You call him "brainlet" and "dummy" yet you have a numerous typos, shit grammar, and poor reasoning.
>If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd have already cured cancer and solved the planet's energy crisis, but instead you're calling people names on 4chan and preening about bullshit in vague terms.

/lit/ in a nutshell

>>10105778
>you could definitely make the case for much of Christianity
That's the problem though, as long as people believe that Christ was literally God they don't *get* to make the case for one part of Christianity while distancing themselves from the rest without the risk ofa good portion of the less educated population either relapsing into dogma or no longer finding the belief system believable at all as the gap between Christs teachings and their practical beliefs and way of life increases.
Instead of truly thinking for themselves within a moral framework they understand as a living tradition which they have the right and the duty to improve upon they will be chained to the past, or that past will be lost to them.

>>10103781
t. dumbass who hasn't read german ideology or theses on feuerbach and is stuck in idealist mysticism

>>10105874
big agree

>>10105879
thanks

>>10105886
no problemo buckerino

>>10105874
I'd be willing to bet that you didn't even bother with German Idealism because your commie friends told you that it has been debunked since the materialist turn.
If not, what did you think of Schillers on the aesthetic education of man?

>>10105899
dude seriously shut the fuck up

>>10105900
unabomber was a commie. that's a good thing

>>10105902
t. triggered communist

>>10105909
t. okay

>>10103754
>some life is sometimes better than no life, for most people

This is a senseless idea.
Schopenhauer explained very clearly as to why being in the state you were in prior to being born is better due to the absence of pain.

>>10105969
>This is a senseless idea.
Okay. But the worker has not read scoopidoo. Are you confusing what is with what should be?

>every leftist on /lit/ right now

>>10105533
>You call him "brainlet" and "dummy" yet you have a numerous typos, shit grammar
Obviously English is not my native language, so I'll take it as a compliment.

>and poor reasoning.
Prove it.

>If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd have already cured cancer and solved the planet's energy crisis, but instead you're calling people names on 4chan and preening about bullshit in vague terms.
I am the one who can't reason? This paragraph is incoherent.
>Get cancer and die in a house fire, mate.
You've really showed me (how to act like a retard while being smug about it).

There's something inherently disgusting about this guy that I can't quite wrap my head around. Maybe it's because his philosophy is all about mantaining the status quo and finding paliative measure for normies to better adapt to it. Absolutely none of his beliefs step outside common sense, even his christianity is secular in a way.

Paglia is really interesting tbqh.

What we're witnessing is the beautiful destruction of all the confused /lit/ contrarian conformists. Nobody here can recover, they only have one yootoob video by some nobody repeating the same old dumb clichés that the intellectual wrecked assblasted brainlets do. We have won my /pol/ brothers, /lit/ officially belongs to us.

>>10106382
This.

*blocks your path

pshhhh....nothing post modern, kid.

>>10105969
>Schopenhauer explained very clearly as to why being in the state you were in prior to being born is better due to the absence of pain.
He was wrong.

>>10104788
its also incredibly dangerous to deconstructionists who want to see all those things continue to erode.
>>10105576
when people have families they are less dependent on the state/outside forces for financial support and belonging.
we're experiencing the shift to post-functional society where the state doesn't need workers it just needs members.

>>10105746
what faults do you see in the Jewish system that make it inferior to the Christian?

>>10103715
Agreed. He needs to read Michael Young's The Rise of the Meritocracy to understand why he's advocating for a nightmare.

>>10106691
First of all, I'm talking about the Jewish system during Jesus' time, since the Jewish faith has been at least in part reformed since the enlightenment. The torah was laid out a complex set of rules according to which individuals belonging to the Jewish tribes were to live, rules which were to be learned and discussed in childhood, and to be obeyed throughout ones years as an adult member of the Jewish community.
That means the laws of god were essentially a tradition which people abandoned themselves to, because they believed that it would be blasphemy to think that they might be capable of doing a better job of formulating those laws than god himself.

The new testament on the other hand tells the individual: 'love yourself, your neighbor and even your enemy', and otherwise carefully tiptoes around making too many statements that can be read as clear instructions of behavior. The individual is given the task to 'know the truth and be set free by it', empowered to act on the behalf of god as long as it does so in service to him. This is consolidated by drinking Jesus flesh and drinking his blood, taking 'divinity' into oneself, forming a personal relationship with and becoming an agent of god.

>>10103806
china literally had natural gas pipelines during the tang dynasty.

>>10103754
>his ideas correlate with Confucianism
Only if you take Peterson's metaphysics to be completely formal. If anything reading on Ruism would help Peterson to distance himself from thinking Mufasa is God.

>>10106039
Wait, are the left/lit/s the brain bug or the fascist?

Anyway, we're getting a step away from proving Zizek right again with this memeing.

>>10105315
Was that the JUST that ruined his life?

>>10104770

Compare China to Japan in the same period.

LMAO at all the brainlets in this thread who confuse Traditionalism with Leftism. MUH CAPITALISM lmao

>>10103715

To be honest it's posts like OP that truly make me appreciate Peterson regardless of ideological affiliation.
At least one can say of Peterson that he is articulate and his ideas are well-formulated. It's apparent that he has spent a great deal of time thinking about these problems and he has chipped away at his own arguments until they are as efficient and elegant as he can possibly make them.

Then you read OP and his incoherent, grammatically garbled nonsense and the difference is night and day.

Peterson's ideas are like a finely crafted sculpture. OP's ideas are like a spontaneous, socially embarrassing fart.

>>10103970
Nigga no one will be able to make the technologies function in a couple decades when the techies don't have children and the suburbs are rife with race wars and degeneracy. Where can a generation have a solid footing if its denied basic cohesion? You technocrats cannot just deny human sociality, it will never work.

>>10106382
Well at least she's fucking read the work of postmodernists.

>>10107732
>muh race wars
>muh degeneracy
Shut the fuck up you utter failure. The world will advance without you. You'll still be in your basement getting ready for the "race war" while complacently fapping to hentai and trying to "purge degeneracy" through shitposting online.

>>10107706
Peterson has the appearance of being articulate but is actually vague where it most counts. This is probably because he's influenced by Jung

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHY CANT I BE STARVED TO DEATH WHILE SOMEONE NATIONALIZES ALL MY SHIT????

>>10107783

Can you either address his point or just stop posting?
He's saying that social cohesion and stability is a prerequisite for advanced technology. You can't build without a foundation. It's apparent to virtually everyone on all sides of the political spectrum that society is steadily becoming more and more destabilized. This is the real issue facing us. Larping about iphone v.74.384.439 or who cares is literally irrelevant.

>>10107800

Oh ok.

>>10105969
>Pain = bad
Get a load of this pleb. I live to struggle and suffer.

>>10105969
>implying you can even be cognizant of your lack of pain at that stage

>>10105298
He argues against the counter-scripts, essentially. You're not free if you define yourself in opposition to the dogma, either. He's helping people to actually think about it rather than leap to blind robotic obedience or blind robotic rebellion. Same as many, many before him. All these plebs who either hate him or love him for being original don't get it.

I think he's great because he's part of an unbroken chain of freethinkers, keeping the tradition alive and popular. He clearly cares about rampant production and synthesis of ideas, and sharing the PROCESS of thinking rather than the outcome. That is refreshing.

>>10107603
Not to sidetrack, but you shouldn't compare the two. Not that I'm defending one over the other. Postwar Japan had help that China hasn't, plus it's more homogeneous. And honestly their trajectories are similar in many ways, albeit on differing scales.

>>10103960
But human rights are better now than they ever were. Is this about skydaddy?

>>10107783
Dude, not everyone lives in a rich apartment in Silicon Valley like you. There are serious problems on the horizon for humanity's well-being, that cannot be solved with machines and material. You cannot neglect the ultimate organic machine -- mankind -- in order to build you Babelian towers, your Daedulusian Wings, to reach your high heaven of VR bliss. Because when you're all set, sitting in your Cali bachelor crib, at your computer battlestation ready to fly into the next dimension of Anime orgiastic feasts and slaying dragons, a nigger will burst down your doorway with a 1,000 niggers beside him, and put a cap on your mushy, GMO brain.

>>10103715
You're 100% right OP, but don't expect any love from the goddamn pseuds on this board

Not everyone lives in a rich apartment in Silicon Valley like you. There are serious problems on the horizon for humanity's well-being, that cannot be solved with machines and material. You cannot neglect the ultimate organic machine -- mankind -- in order to build you Babelian towers, your Daedulusian Wings, to reach your high heaven of VR bliss. Because when you're all set, sitting in your Cali bachelor crib, at your computer battlestation ready to fly into the next dimension of Anime orgiastic feasts and slaying dragons, a nigger will burst down your doorway with a 1,000 niggers beside him, and put a cap in your mushy, tofu-addled brain.

>>10107818
It's true Anon. Read Jung among other psychoanalysts to see what I'm talking about

>>10103715
>>10107933
>people who support him tend to idolise the 1950s
100% bullshit you shit-slinging morons. He is not anti-progress at all, he promotes a synthesis of conservatism and liberalism achieved thorough honest communication. Considering how his OWN depression catalysed from threat of nuclear war and other such terrors, I don't think he idolised the 1950s himself. I think you're talking absolute shit. Especially because you are the one who seems to be using a 1950s style of thinking pitching materialism VS spirituality as if it is not our imperative to find a way to harmonise both demands.

>>10103715
dangerous?

to who?
and what way?
in what capacity?

He is only dangerous to wicked things, to wicked ideals and people.

>>10107952
This synthesis of conservatism and liberalism is already here, it's called liberal conservatism. You find it in the U.S., Canada, Germany, etc.

>>10107958
Good! Onwards and upwards, anon. The world is a large place.

>>10107960
It just seems strange to promote as a radical synthesis between two poles what is already predominant in most countries

>>10107952
Nobody (important) was trying to harmonize spirituality and materialism in the 1950's. That's when traditional spirituality died it's final death and consumerism/materialism took over. OP is absolutely right that both communism and capitalism are retarded ideologies that shoehorn human existence into a material logistics problem. At some point in the past we asked ourselves "what is it we want" and built a system to achieve those ends. Capitalism should be a tool, but now it has become the end in itself and people exist to serve it rather than the other way around.

To phrase it another way, did you ever think how absolutely retarded it is that people list "Free markets" as a value sometimes? An economic system is not a value, it is a means to realize real values.

>>10107962
But it's not evident at the individual level, at least I don't see it much in face to face or online interactions. He is speaking to individuals to live this way in their personal lives, not to the personas of political "representatives". Part of the same movement perhaps, but I see the message to growing individuals to be much more important.

>>10107901
No, Christianity is a Jewish creation lol.

>>10107957
He's dangerous in that he sounds reasonable but is only trying to salvage the status quo. Obviously SJW's/liberals that he criticizes are raving lunatics, but he himself supports the continuation of the radical materialist philosophy that allowed them to come into existence in the first place.

>>10107952
But I (OP) am anti-progress lol.

You really don't get it, do you?

>>10107963
>>Nobody (important) was trying to harmonize spirituality and materialism in the 1950's.
That's literally what your shitty protestant country is based on, moron.

And 50s were literally the decade of televangelism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Televangelism#History

>>10107963
>Nobody (important) was trying to harmonize spirituality and materialism in the 1950's. That's when traditional spirituality died it's final death and consumerism/materialism took over.
That's exactly my point. Peterson is trying to do that, not idolising 1950s. Did you not get my post at all?

>>10107977
protestantism is almost entirely materialist. It's a dead religion. Televangelists were just salesmen pretending to be preachers.

>>10105718
This. I don't read Samuel Johnson or Edmund Burke, those dumb fucking Christians.
I just read the great atheists like Dawkins tbqh

>>10103715
why should i care?
he can explode the whole world with an atomic bomb and i wouldn't give less of a fuck

>>10105746
>Seriously, I'd be much more willing to believe he was the child of god if he'd just gone around preaching a new covenant and died on the cross, branded a heretic.

Surely if he's a child of God he's going to be able to perform magic though?

>>10107980
my bad on the 50s point, on a stim comedown rn. Regardless, I don't believe it's possible to be libertarian in the way Peterson obviously is and spiritual at the same time in any meaningful way.

>>10103715
Going back to OP, is Russia really iconoclastic anymore though?

>>10107973
I don't think YOU do, anon. You should live the 1950s then you stagnant mongoloid.

>>10107995
If you are classifying peterson as libertarian or conservative then I really don't think you're understanding what he's trying to do.

>>10107985
It's different. At the time, believing in Christianity was not as insane as it is now. We know better.

>>10108020
>believing
This is the attitude that is insane, no matter the subject. We know better.

>>10107972
He also wants to keep his job

>>10108004
I don't want to live in the 1950's, it was degenerate lol? You still don't get it, do you?

>>10108044
>you just don't get it
Why don't you stop bleating the same thing over and over and actually say something?

Peterson does NOT idolise the 1950s like you claimed. I've already argued why. You were spouting nosense and you've been called out on it. Just repeating "you don't get it" is not an argument.

>>10108046
Peterson is a christ-cuck Jewish subversion that only furthers our problems under the guise of saving us. Keep defending him on the internet, dork

>>10108048
Oh so it's another one of (((((those))))) threads after all.
>cuck cuck jew cuck cuck jew jew cuck jew
Disappointing. But I'll bite: what problems exactly are you talking about? (if the problem is just "jew" or "Jewish question" then no need to repeat yourself) .

>>10108056
The problem is Modernity lol and Peterson's """"solutions"""" solve nothing

>>10108059
>modernity
What do you mean by this? And what is YOUR solution?

Petersons as I see it is basically: recognise the reality of the social-evolutionary system we are a part of, tell the truth, listen to others, especially those you disagree with, and be a good person. Basically, do some philosophy and then live by it well. What exactly about this do you have a problem with?

>>10108071
You still don't get it.

>>10108079