/lit/ - Literature

>>10088515
https://www.tor.com/2017/09/29/amazon-prime-to-develop-adaptations-of-snow-crash-ringworld-and-lazarus/
Amazon makin Ringworld and Snow Crash. How will they muck it up?

>>10088550
>Snow Crash
It's dogshit anyways so who cares

>>10088584
;^)

>>10088550
Snow Crash has been maybe going to be a movie for so long, I'm surprised something is actually going to be adapted. Hope it has nice visuals.
Wonder if that Neuromancer project is ever going to get off the ground.

Is anyone here published?

Give me some books about revenge /sffg/
The more elaborate the better

>>10088910
Revenger - A Reynolds
Nothing special, but a neat little book.
A little more elaborate would be Chasm City,

>>10088833
If only.

We're all gonna make it anons, one day.

Any great novels with a little girl protagonist?

I asked too late in the previous thread. What are people's thoughts on Faithful and the Fallen?

It sounds interesting, but I've been burned by too many flat YA Mary Sue characters in some recent fantasy like Blood Song and Hundred Thousand Kingdoms.

>>10088921
Reynolds peaked with the Revelation Space series.
I've been trying to get through Blue Remembered Earth for a month plus now and it just sucks. There's absolutely nothing happening in it.
Revenger was better but it still feels like someone's first scifi novel, not something written by an already very well established author. Same goes for Slow Bullets. (Incidentally, what's this obsession of his with writing on human skin?)


Hamilton's "Night's Dawn" trilogy has several revenge sub-plots IIRC. Decent space opera but he always disappoints with the endings of his books.

>>10088972
I liked His Dark Materials as a kid. Don't know how it holds up now.

>>10089026
>Revenger was better but it still feels like someone's first scifi novel,
The book gives off the impression that it tries to cater to the young adult audience, but it didn't get enough of the tropes for it, like how there's no overthrowing the government or no teen romance. But the world the book is set in is interesting and, it seems to me, not explored enough.
I liked Blue Remembered Earth as a part of the trilogy, as many plotlines continue with the trilogy. You just have to drudge through the elephants.

A political history of science fiction which offers a good overview of the libertarian, conservative and Marxist strands of the genre. Really interesting stuff:
http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/sf-history.html

>>10088910
The Traitor Baru Cormorant

>>10089379
Absolutely can't fucking wait for the next book.

>>10089190
>But the world the book is set in is interesting and, it seems to me, not explored enough.
Absolutely agree on that. The world he built for it was wasted on Revenger. Maybe he'll revisit it in a book for adults one day.

I'll finish BRE on principle but I'm not holding my breath for something amazing in it. I'm only halfway through, having read a LOT of better lit on the side, and there's just so much less meat on it compared to being halfway into Revelation Space or Chasm City.

Not that the Revelation Space books were perfect either. I remember a few times where it felt like he wrote 150 pages about something and then edited it down to a few paragraphs. The pig army taking over the ship in the Episilon Eridani system for example was just a handwave going "and then they took the ship and were off!"
Maybe he has an editor breathing down his neck about this stuff. I still recommend Reynolds to people who want to get into contemporary scifi, though. Him and Banks. RIP.

>>10088910
Tiger, Tiger.

Mini Spoiler: Its a retelling of The Count Of Monte Cristo set in Space

>>10089385
I dunno. Traitor was a relatively self-contained book, and I'm concerned the author's politics will get in the way of his writing. Traitor was fine but when the Dickinson is openly saying he wants to use his work to push his political opinions I feel like he's rolling the dice.

>>10088910
The Demon Princes series by Jack Vance.

>>10089495
Dem princes, mane

I'd like to imagine I'm walking through the forest like Lord of the Rings please.

>>10089406
thanks britbong

Is DK Holmberg the most underrated fantasy author?

...wow

>>10089719
Stop shilling your shitty books here holmburg

>>10089391
Moe's is fucking disgusting, never eaten anything I liked there. Even their tea is terrible.

>>10086763
>Just think of the potential: a world with private military companies, Singapore-tier city states, industrial powers with apocalyptic theocrats as leaders, all vying for power in a geopolitical contest with some influential characters wielding magic to influence events and form their own isis-esque cults.
So basically The wind up girl with magic?

>>10089351
Most interesting thing I've ever seen written by a libertarian. Overall it makes sense, but I'm not sure of some details.

I don't really see how you can call the techniques of the New Wave being absorbed into the genre as a whole a "defeat". Isn't that exactly what the proponents of a change in style want?Admittedly I haven't read any manifestos by New Wavers if they're out there.

I would agree with hard sf being the root of the genre, but the constantly vital core? I dunno. What was the last hard sf book to get wide acclaim? Blindsight? It didn't even win the hugo in its year. Is Ancillary Justice hard sf? Three Body Problem?

>>10089351
>Early "scientifiction" mostly recycled an endless series of cardboard cliches: mad scientists, lost races, menacing bug-eyed monsters, coruscating death rays, and screaming blondes in brass underwear.
>implying that wasn't just Sturgeon's Law
>implying Asimov did not also recycle an endless series of cardboard cliches

>>10088833
>>10088927
Stop lying bro...

Can anyone tell me why all my autistic super smart friends all read high fantasy? Why is this a thing?

>>10089917
I have no idea, but there seems to be a preponderance of people on the autistic spectrum who solely (or at least primarily) read scifi and fantasy.

>>10089917
They probably read what's interesting to them. I'm sure they don't autisticly seek out "everything high, and only high" fantasy book.

>>10089729
>Shitty books
They be not shit

>>10089917
Possibly they do a lot of dense professional reading for their work/education and want something lighter in their free time?

>>10090092
But if his friends are like my friends they read their high fantasy as if it were dense professional reading.

>>10088584
people who like the new ready player one movie by spielberg of course shit is riddled with futurised 90´s stuff

>>10088515
Are Kim Stanley Robinson's global warming/climatic change books like New York 2140 and Green Earth (Science in the Capital) good?

>>10089773
We don't even have Moe's in my country. I just think the names are funny. Relax, man.

To the frustrated guy from the last sffg, audiobookbay is back up.

Reading some Heinlein. Starship Troopers was great, made me order the other two in the publisher's catalogue (SiaSL and MiaHM). Started with the prior, saving the latter for last as I heard it's his magnum opus.

About 450 pages into it, without spoiling, does it get better? I absolutely loved the first third, and the second third was still pretty good. It seems to be devolving into some martial free-love hippie sex cult enclave story, although I flicked ahead and this section ends in a chapter or two so I'm wondering (hoping) it moves onto another topic after that.

>>10090482
>does it get better?
No. Stick with the juveniles, his later work is him using his fame to push his fetishes.

In hopes of getting more suggestions, I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked last thread. Anybody here have any recommedations for "speculative" poetry collections? I already own a few CAS books, any other suggestions? Any classic, renowned poetry that doesn't necessarily take place in the real world?

>>10090532
maybe CAS's mentor George Sterling (e.g., "A Wine of Wizardry")

>>10090532
You can find plenty of sf poetry on the internet. Physical collections are harder to find.

Print out a couple from a website and go to Staples to make a booklet out of them.

>>10090482
How much you groked so far?

>>10088910

> ctrl f
> "stars my destination"

I knew this board was full of plebs

>>10089940

> The Strain

Avoid. Reads like a dull movie script.

Finally finished Unsong today and oh boy, that wordplay is some of the most elaborate I've ever seen. Liked the ending, too, even though some of the characters could have done more things. What did y'all think of it?

>>10090858
>famous director writes a book
>it reads like a movie in prose form
Big shocker

>>10090843
>ctrl f ing a book that has been discussed to death
The good thing about this general is, unlike outer lit, we don't discuss the same 3 books ad nauseam, we discuss different things.

>>10090908
>reads goodreads blurb
>W.T.F
Seriously wtf? This reads like the hey hey azuriel anime with just a mishmash of tropes and high-jinx

>>10090843
>why don't you discuss the 50-year-old book I like all the time
anyway why don't you ctrl-f tiger tiger if you're so not-pleb

Which is the best introduction to the Culture Series by Iain M Banks? Should they be read in order?

>>10091051
I hear Player of Games, and I also hear don't start with Consider Phlebas, which sounds like a good idea because I started with Consider Phlebas and it soured me on the whole series.

Can we add "To Kill a God" to the recommended charts?

>>10091123
old meme

>>10091051
>>10091061

You don't have to read them in order but it's not a bad choice either.
I think I actually did start on CP but I liked it. Player of Games probably is a better introduction to the series, though.
They can be read in any order really but there are a few recurring characters and I think reading them in the other they were written works just fine.
Don't miss his short stories either. Scifi lends itself nicely to short stories and Banks produced some decent ones.

The Algebraist is NOT a Culture novel, but it pretty much feels as one. Worth reading certainly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9oZaP-my5E Books similar to this video?

>>10091061
>>10091153
Thanks y'all. Will check it out. I'm still surprised Iain Banks was able to push out so many books in varying genres. What a talent

>>10088515
>Fucked up Covers Edition
I've been thinking of buying this book because of the cover and the fact that it's about genetic manipulation. I like science fiction stories about the grotesque and the uncanny and I'm curious if there is something in the story like this thing from the cover (I'm not getting my hopes too high though).

>>10090951
>hey hey azuriel anime
Which one?

It's more of a really long adventure novel with multiple POVs, peppered with digressions into historical/religious/philosophical/scientific trivia, author's opinions and some really bullshit puns

Ashara Dayne!

>>10090843
I think everyone's already read it

>>10090132
So maybe you enjoyed it in its time, books become dated, I don't understand why people resist this.

>>10091491
Yondemasu-yo, Azazel-san

>>10091725
>books become dated, I don't understand why people resist this.
Dinosaurs are the worst offenders / deniers in that regard. They don't want to believe that their precious nostalgia reads like shit to a modern audience. They then proceed to shit on modern novels.

how does /sffg/ feel about the Dunk & Egg novellas?

>>10091748
Yup, same goes for movies.

>>10091771
Dunc and Amos were my jam when I was a kid.

I can't believe how close I am to finishing my novel.

Like, I'm only about 3/4 of the way through, but even that is incredible considering the furthest I ever got before was 15 pages before quitting

How many more years before peace talks?

are we going to have to wait out butcher's steampunk series first?

>>10091817
i-it was supposed to be out November.... they said so last year ... I fucking hate his "shit reddite cats say in a steampunk setting" series.

How old is vaelin when he enters the order? I can't find any mention on whether he's 12 or 18 or what

>>10091832
>>10091817
>over 500 ratings
>book hasn't even reached a point where mini ARCs could be sent out
>book was expected since 2013
>may 2017 Still working on it
Yea. Never getting it .

>>10091748
>nostalgia
I wish you wouldn't promulgate this stupid meme. Many of the "dinosaur" books I've read were written decades before my birth. I certainly do have nostalgia for terrible books, but they are generally works of modernity. Do you seriously think we're a gaggle of doddering octogenarians? Call them dated all you want, just drop the nostalgia bit please :3

>>10091940
Just for that I'm gonna force orgasms on a catgirl tonight. You brought this on yourself.

>>10091832
>>10091817
>>10091875
shit i thought i was the only one who liked the dresden files.
everyone i talked to them about hates it cause its popular.

>>10092049
I'm sure she will be generally appreciative of your efforts and, appearances notwithstanding, genuinely impressed by your technique.

>>10091832
>>10091875
>>10092064

what do you guys think about the idea that Ferrovax is literally satan? Butcher said he's significantly more powerful than all the six fairy queens put together, which is odd considering that Micheal killed a dragon in the past despite struggling with the denarians. Given that the knights exist to protect humans from the fallen it kind of implies that dragons are an unholy threat, especially after remembering that Satan is supposed to take the form of a 7-headed dragon in revelations and knock the stars from the sky with his tail.
Butcher also confirmed that Ferrovax will reappear in the final three books, one of which is titled "empty night"

>>10092068
I'm also going to diddle C. J. Cherryh into orgasming and breaking her hips

>>10092064
>shit i thought i was the only one who liked the dresden files.
When I post my charts all the time and I have Dresden Files at the top? You don't look at charts do you? It's even in the OP.

>>10092109
You posted this last thread. I haven't touched a Dresden book since 2013/2014. I've read over 400 books since then. I can't remember that character's name, probably will of I get book 16 to read.

>>10092149
She doesn't need them to write, but enough of your granny fetish.
How're memes? Have the devil's playthings been busily conjuring some fresh pictorial invective?

>>10089728
innit?

>>10089379
Thanks. I marathonned this last night.
Can't wait for the next one.

>>10088550
Ringworld is kinda bullshit, I don't see how it would work. I mean it's a classic and I like it but it's also so much bullshit:
>People looking super weird in the future for funsies. Star Trek ToS makeup department with Hunger games tier effects.
>Literally invincibility in a spaceship because it can basically "stop time" inside it during an impact freezing everything as is
>kinda weird alien races
>one being a furry
>one being.. pic related...
>characters in general being kinda one-dimensional with only the humans showing a range
>The Cat-Klingons just want to fight and be the strongest and conquer and don't care if it kills them as long as they fight
>the 3 leg faggots are literally afraid of everything
>Some fucking weird main plot points like major spoiler: Literally breeding people for luck, to make an almost unkillable person for which everything always works out in the end
>Forcing people to do what you want by giving them orgasms
Really.. Ringworld is kinda meh, the best thing about the book really is the concept of the Ringworld itself, but even that's not super interesting compared to some of the other terraforming projects going on.

I can't imagine making Ringworld an interesting watch unless you just "kinda take the concept" and make a whole new fucking thing out of it, Like they did with World War Z. Has the name, but has absolutely ZERO to do with the book. (keep in mind I'm not saying WWZ was a good movie, I'm listing it as an example for something with the same name but being disconnected from the actual work)

>>10089940
>Trudi Canavan.
Her books would actually be decently enjoyable as a cute little time waster if someone edited out the SJW subplots.

I don't mind a little social commentary in a book but out of nowhere it just fucking goes: BTW THIS SOCIETY FUCKING HATES GAYS BUT THIS OTHER ONE DOESN'T AND I'M GONNA SAY VERY OPENLY WHICH ONE IS FUCKING RIGHT AND WHICH ONE IS DUMB.
Which is even more retarded since it's somewhat of a medieval setting, where hate towards gays actually served a purpose to the community.

>>10092384
>can't handle Niven
gb2/Sanderson/

>>10089351
Interesting read, thank you.
>. . . before the rise of political correctness ritualized these behaviors in other forms of art.
Accurate, objective description.
>circa 2002
>. . . the only form of politically-inspired award presented annually at the World Science Fiction Convention is the Libertarian Futurist Society's "Prometheus".
If he does another update, he might as well just excise that aspect of the argument.

Overall I like the premise of libertarianism being the de facto ideology of science fiction. For one thing, I can amuse myself by claiming it to be a necessary adjunct to envisioning fantastical developments like FTL drive.

>>10092436
Oh I can handle it. I actually like it, but a BIG part of what makes ringworld work is YOUR imagination. There's lots of "well this is fucking weird but fun to imagine".
Try watching a show with an 8 foot cat and a 3 legged 2 headed cow / snake / octopus mixup having a serious discussion about their plans.

>>10092483
That's actually something that's not left to the imagination.

Why is /lit/ so anti-libertarian?

>>10092544
Because it's the retarded sissy-boy of ideologies, equally hated by the left and the right.

>>10092560
>Only ideology that doesn't lick boots
>sissy-boy
Alright then

>>10092544
because it's the most retarded of ideologies, bar ancap. plus it's essentially the fuck the poor ideology

>>10090210
Self evident shit.

yo where's our Clark Ashton Smith excerpt for the day?

>>10090520
Kinda, so won't dispute.

>>10092587
>fuck the poor ideology
I hope you don't really think that, just shows how little you know

>>10092595
No one's going to argue with you because everyone here has argued with a libertarian before and we're all tired of it.

>>10092544
We're anti- pol/itics. Please keep your posts related to /lit/erature. Political discourse in service of textual discussion is welcome, but off-topic interjections here will tend to end in pointless excrement flinging on all sides. Thank you and have a nice day senpai desu.

>>10092384
>but even that's not super interesting compared to some of the other terraforming projects going on
There is not a more interesting concept.

>Skysworn is out
>Not on mobilism yet

reeee

>>10092572
But sffg is filled with retarded sissies

>>10092208
>devil's plaything
That has two meaning to me.
1. Masturbating hands
2. Idleness

90% of any altered pic you see in sffg is probably me. Have any ideas for me to badly spoof with gimp?

>>10092680
Than ringworld? I mean. the ringworld is GIANORMOUS but what I find way more interesting as a concept is: One of the races straight up moving 5 planets together for infrastructure and shooting them across space to outrun death. That shit's WAY more interesting than the fucking ring that was once the hight of civilization but is now little more than ruins with barely civilized tribal people.

>>10092401
>BTW THIS SOCIETY FUCKING HATES GAYS BUT THIS OTHER ONE DOESN'T AND I'M GONNA SAY VERY OPENLY WHICH ONE IS FUCKING RIGHT AND WHICH ONE IS DUMB
Anon. I'm truly sorry she touched you in a bad place. But you have to give this up. Every time her name comes up you go on a rant.

>>10092744
Because I enjoyed the story.

>>10090210
I liked the granny fucking in new york 2140.

>>10092750
Did you read age of the five? Black magician trilogy?
Did you touch her new millennium YA shit?

>>10092734
Either interpretation aids my intention's apprehension.
>90% of any altered pic you see in sffg is probably me.
No kidding senpai. Hence the question.
>Have any ideas for me to badly spoof with gimp?
A languorous dragon, cheekily reclined atop mounded dinosaur books in lieu of gold :3

>>10092774
I've read her black magicians trilogy and the prequel to that. It was fairly mediocre but enjoyable. Like I said before, this dumb subplot of "they don't tolerate gays here" really just takes you out of the book because it comes from fucking nowhere and Isn't subtle at all.

>>10092796
Were you the guy that requested the vcr book a few months ago?

>>10092796
What level of dinosaur you talking about?

>>10092869
>Vance
CAS needs to be added to this meme
>wolfe will die and join the other disembodied heads in this pic in the sky

>>10092864
Indeed twas me. I found the result pleasing.
>>10092869
I was unaware of these levels. Enlighten me?

>>10092885
Well I can't show all the books on the pile, so a few will be prominently displayed like innpic related >>10092869 just wanted to know which ones you wanted shown.
Will see what I can do when I get around to it. There is also some request from a few threads back I said I was going to look into memeing.

>>10092869
what is going on in this picture?

>>10092908
Not too particular, but at least Vance, Wolfe, and CAS would seem appropriate based on current shilling levels. Perhaps also Howard, Leigh Brackett, and Heinlein. You can throw The Pride of Chanur in there as well if you want.

>>10092914
A pizza party.

>>10092683
yea is it uploaded anywhere yet..

>>10092544
Because Starship Troopers is fucking boring.

>>10093117
But it's satire ya dingus

>>10092761
We need a list of grannies getting their caves decobwebbed.

>>10091859
blood song? he's 10

What the fuck Turtledove? I bought this because I wanted a goofy ass book about wizards and sasquatches playing baseball. Instead its a completely straight and serious story about a semi-professional baseball team in the 1930s, complete with references to real teams and autistically detailed descrptions of the baseball fieilds, with VERY infrequent references to magic.

hey friends I'm looking for some good conservative fantasy/sci fi authors, preferably Christian or far-right.

Gene wolfe is one of my favorites right now, so anyone similar to him would be good. ty

>>10093387
>>10089351

Don't wanna read second "trilogy" from Bakker. Where can i find spoilers or summary?

>>10093904
Here's a quick summary: GRI

>>10093909
I read third book today and it was shite.

>>10092948

>>10093387
Gene Wolfe is one of a kind but here are a few suggestions:

>C.S. Lewis
Check out the Space/Perelandra trilogy. I'm going to assume you've heard of Narnia as well.

>Tolkien
Not going to try to summarize decades of commentary but Arda/Middle-Earth is the product of a deeply conservative mind.

>A Canticle for Leibowitz
Nothing else Walter Miller wrote is really worth reading.

>John C. Wright
Awake in the Night Land, Eschaton Sequence, Green Knight's Squire. The Golden Age is good too but written before Wright converted.

>David Weber
Conservative, although not really either Christian or far right. Best known for the "Hammer's Slammers" books about a mercenary armored regiment IN THE FUTURE.

>Throne of Bones
Pretty good on its own merits; the author also has a massive, insufferable Internet presence which you probably want to avoid.

>>10093387
DEATH OF THE AUTHOR

>>10094040
Is it true that Wright gets worse with each new book?

>>10094104
No, I actually think the "he gets worse and worse" meme is solely the result of Somewhither, which was his first novel after he left Tor and pretty bad. A few of his short stories suffer from crippling sentimentalism as well. At worst he has great concepts and somewhat clunky execution.

>>10093027
It's up on mobilism

>>10093904
the guy that runs the wertzone did a series-wide history up through the last book, seemed decent. could also try reading through his rabid fansite, but there's a 50/50 chance you come away covered in black semen.

>>10094175
Well I'm reading the reviews of his last book and they're all either five stars or one. Seems like a love or hate type of author.

I'm searching for that shitty looking website that had descriptions of different sci-fi/fantasy authors styles.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

what's the most liberal, SJW fantasy out there right now?

>>10094376
Communism

>>10094376
Kate Elliott hands down

>tfw read 41 pages of genre fiction in 5 hours

>>10094363
greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Should I continue Stormlight Archive? Is Words of Radiance worth it? I read The Way of Kings and wasn't too fond of it.

The action was cool as fuck and the prose was engaging, but the characters (minus Dalinar and maybe Sylphrena) didn't leave much of an impression on me. Plus I don't really feel a sense of urgency about this major impending societal doom that on it's way.

This series is my first look into Sanderson's Cosmere. Am I missing out a lot of stuff if I don't read his other series like Mistborn?

>>10094529
>mfw Dalinar doesn't have a beard
I mean I know that's canon but I just always imagined him with a beard.

That shardplate doesn't look nearly enough like a spacesuit though.

I want to read the stories of arthur and the round table, what is the book and author that I should get to start with?

>>10094529
>Should I continue Stormlight Archive? Is Words of Radiance worth it? I read The Way of Kings and wasn't too fond of it.
II prefer the first, but most of your complaints are not really relevant to words of radiance.

>>10094529
You're missing out on Sanderson kicking up the anime to 11 at the end of WoR.

>far future setting where humanity has expanded throughout the stars
>sea navies no longer exist

>>10089495
Seconding this. Fantastic.

>>10092587
>because it's the most retarded of ideologies
No, that would be communism, in pretty much all its forms.

>>10094581
you got that right anon.

>>10094455
Is that Donkey?

Fuck, loved the new Cradle book: Skysworn
Can't fucking wait for the next one

>>10095036
Nope.

>>10094455
thanks bro

>>10094978
bugs is looking a lot better in that picture

>>10094978
Would navies go back to being about huge (rail)guns on boats instead of plane transportation?

The way I see it.

>You can be attacked from orbit.
>Drones, much smaller, faster, cheaper, and deadlier than today, will have replaced fighter jets.
>These can also be deployed from orbit.
>Why bother with aircraft carriers?
>Just focus on demolishing incoming spaceships from the water.

>>10095305
A floating weapons platform would need an orbital positioning system to compensate for instability. In turn, that system is vulnerable from beyond orbit.

How is Wax and Wayne compared to the first trilogy?

>>10095372
In my opinion, better. They're more concise, Wax is a better one dimensional character than Vin, and some of the side characters like Ranette and Steris are far superior. The downside is it relies too heavily on the outside influence of the other cosmere books. If I were to suggest reading it at any point in Sanderson's bibliography, I'd say last.

>>10095396
Well, aside from the original Misborn, I read Stormlight, Elantris and Emperor's soul. Should I pick up Warbreaker now or it's fine to go with W&W? There's also Arcanum Unbounded, but I was told it's better to be read last.

>>10095448
Your situation is exactly the same time. I also haven't picked up warbreaker, just by circumstance. It's simply my recommendation, there's also the fact that W&W is last chronologically, but you'll be fine without warbreaker.

>>10095509
Thanks. Guess I'll leave Warbreaker for another time then.

>>10095108
No it's Wordart-anon

>>10094455
>>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22google+settlement%22+copyright
What is going on here? What settlement google had that would impact readers?

Why is it so hard to find something half decent to read? Seems like 80% of recent sci-fi/fantasy is either YA or written by some woman. Or both.

>>10095754
Read short story anthologies and research the authors that interest you.

>>10095703
>https://newrepublic.com/article/72706/the-love-culture
There's the actual article.

Lessig it seems didn't like the settlement because rather than combat the original hilarious claim that each scan Google made created a new pirated copy that Google was then liable for, Google settled with the guilds and left the abscess at the root of the issue untouched. Instead, Lessig believed the problem was compounded because a tech titan had affirmed the perverse digital copyright model.

An interesting facet of the article is how various elements of a non-fiction work are individually licensed. I wasn't aware of this aspect.

>>10095754
If those are the main things you judge a book by you must have some fantastically shitty taste

Give me pros and cons please. I am planning to buy it.

>Only one more book of Dark Ability series left to read
Fuuuuuuck me
I hate this fucking author and his shitty books
I literally have to glance over at least 50% of the text because it's just repeating shit and describing the same shit

Has /a/ made characters with with string manipulation cliche? Between Doffy, Ragyo and Jolyne it feels like it's been done to death enough that I don't want to use it for this thing.

>>10092683
>>10095149
When is there going to be a House of Blades Book 3 audiobook? Only the first two books are out, and the author promised that he was working on the third.

>>10095941
I thought it was smart, brutal, and gut-wrenching. It comes from me, highly recommended.

Why is almost all high fantasy so low-concept? Every blurb I read sounds like:

>in the land of Clichéa, a guy sets off on a quest to do a thing
or
>the above but with DINOSAURS

They all sound like the same thing. I'm sure many of them are great and unique books but all they have going for them is someone's recommendation - "check it out, it's high fantasy and good". Considering how many of them are also part of doorstopper n-logies, I rarely take the risk to try them.

Sci-fi and low fantasy doesn't seem to have this problem, I usually know whether or not a premise interests me from the start.

>tfw read 59 pages of genre fiction in 7 hours (fell asleep twice sleep time subtracted)

>>10096031
I think it's partly because high fantasy mostly apes the old heroic epics like Homer and Beowulf, and LotR. So there's not much room for innovation because all heroic epics tend to boil down to the same plot points (a man goes on a quest to stop ultimate evil) without ending up in another subgenre, and other, better authors have already treaded most of that ground.

>>10094455
I would feed that man free beer for as long as he wanted to talk about Vance and probably whatever else he felt like.
I would vote for adding this link to the OP.

ring a ding dillo!

>>10096159
You should also tell him to keep working on his site. It hasn't been updated in 5 years.

>>10096031
Because high fantasy is terrible.

Save-the-world plots have got to be the most boring shit.

What are the best cyberpunks? Name 5 or so.

>>10088910
Best Served Cold by Abercrombie
The Engineer Trilogy by KJ Parker

>medieval settings
>modern standards of skinship
What's the point of being brothers in arms if they're not gonna hug their bros tightly in their mokent of need? Blood song severely lacks skinship between the brothers of the sixth order.

>>10096644
Neuromancer
Schismatrix
Altered Carbon
Islands in the Net
Synners

Note that none of these are incredible works on their own merit. Cyberpunk isn't a subgenre where you're going to get first-rate writing.

Thoughts on Vernor Vinge? I see a lot of negative reviews of his books, and I'm not sure where to start. I read some of his short stories and I found them okay with some mild flaws here and there.

>>10096998
A Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky are classics. Same with the short story True Names. You should absolutely read them.

Most of the hate his other books get is because they don't live up to those. Children of the Sky in particular was a colossal disappointment both conceptually and technically.

Basically, read True Names, Fire Upon The Deep, and Deepness in the Sky. That's his peak, and should allow you to judge reviews of his lesser works more accurately.

>>10094529

The only book I'd suggest reading if you continue on with Stormlight is Warbreaker. It seems like there will be a fair bit of crossover between the two.

I like all of Sanderson's Cosmere books aside from Elantris. Its a comfy series. But yeah, Stormlight is really him at his best and he isn't that great, objectively. If you're not liking Stormlight that much you likely wouldn't like Mistborn or the others.

>>10095396

Steris is top-tier autistic waifu

I was told that the made up language would stop disrupting the flow after the first 100 pages. I'm a third of the way through and this book hasn't become less of a chore to read. I'm willing to accept that this will never change but I would appreciate some assurance that its worth the effort. I enjoy the setting immensely, but I'm getting bored and I can tell that if I drop it I'll never be willing to pick it up again.

>>10092384
>dissing the orgasm gun

git ye gone

Any scifi that's not dated as hell? Preferably something that has come out in the last 3 years.
If you don't think stories being dated is a thing don't bother replying pls

>>10096689
gero gero

To whoever makes the image macros,

Start doing these.

>>10097650
Nobody likes these.

>>10097228
Come back when you've got 20 more IQ points.

>>10097501
Blindsight.

>>10097667
They're actually better than painfully on-the-nose word-headed people.

>>10093904
>3 keyboards
Are you a octo-man?

>>10097667
it's one of the best populist memes the web has seen in years

>>10095941
I liked it.

Cons:
>Political (You'll be triggered if you're a hardcore /pol/ autist, otherwise it's fine).
>It's more about political/economic intrigue than direct action if you're expecting that

But will I like it? This is what i read this year.
Yes. YES. Cheeki breeki etc.

>>10097918 -> >>10097875

>>10097077
Ty

>>10097918
Just download it.

>>10097929
Russian version coming out this week.

>>10097971
Ah yeah, other language stuff is pretty difficult to pirate.

>>10097972
Not really. But the new stuff yes.
https://www.labirint.ru/screenshot/goods/611850/3/

>>10097918
It's hard to tell if you'll like it. People can like books for different reasons.

I recommend it though.

>>10097994
> I recommend it though.
Okay. Pls name 3 your favourite fantasy novels.

>>10097997
I don't really do favourites.
Off the top of my head maybe One Hundred Years of Solitude and Against the Day.

I like most /sffg/ memes. I think Sanderson is shit and Scott Lynch is meh. I didn't particularly like the Black Company.

Outer /lit/ is asking for charts.
>>10096515

I just started writing my second novel and this one is science fiction. I'm not published or super accomplished or anything but would anyone be interested in reading it?

>>10090931
>The good thing about this general is, unlike outer lit, we don't discuss the same 3 books ad nauseam, we discuss different things.
You're not fooling anyone.

>>10088910
edoile of franco iberia gets into a heated debate with Lena Ebner of INTEGR. and their fight was never really about greenhouse gas

>>10091051
I'd recommedn "Inversions". While it is neither the first written nor teh first published book in the series, reading it without knowing anything about the series is a unique reading experience that can't be replicated later. A look at the Culture from the "outside" so to speak.

>>10094558
>I want to read the stories of arthur and the round table, what is the book and author that I should get to start with?
The only book that comes to mind here is Mists of Avalon, by Marion Zimmer Bradley ... but whether it can be recommended in good faith is another matter entirely.

>>10094558
The most *fun* is T. H. White's The Once And Future King
The most famous 'old' text is Le Morte d'Arthur (this is the basis for the aforementioned Once and Future King)

I think the best nonfiction is The Oxford Guide to Arthurian Literature and Legend

>>10091051
I started with Consider Phlebas and thought it was the perfect introduction. It's also one of the best in the series.
>>10091771
I loved them and the graphic adaptations are terrific.
>>10094040
Really? SL and the Wild Horse Woman was pretty neat. A lot less stuffy read than Canticle was.

Why are web novels the height of literature in 2017?

>>10098302
The only web novel/serial I could tolerate wereThe Martian and Worm and even then they have glaring flaws despite their popularity.

>>10098217
What is it on? Word? Google Docs? Pastebin?

>>10097501
Check post apocalyptic. Add library at mount char and hull zero 3 to whatever you choose to read.

>>10097971
Squat bro, please impart some knowledge. I'm reading a book with Russia and America going for a new cold war. Russia bombing Americas and buildings to stop progress, etc. Anyways.. there was this thing where the guy was beating people up to take their vodka...
Is vodka really drank in Russia like how it is portrayed in media? Is vodka really a must for squatbros? Or is this the author indulging stereotypes?

>>10098302
I don't find none of those Nippons attractive at all... Also that white girl with the dye job is embarrassing herself.

>>10098538
> author indulging stereotypes
Pretty much this. Of course we have plenty of bydlo people but i think they are mostly coming from Finland.

>>10088515
This random shit I saw on a self any good?

>>10098810
Did you by chance miss the khaleesi on the cover of the first book?
It's targeted to the fandom of the Game of Thrones.

>>10098810
>yas queens
looks good to me

>>10098810
Keeping with the "bad covers" thread theme I see

>>10098810
They look like fucking shit.

>>10098867
>>10098810
i kind of like the letters and composition, even the characters clothes and complements, too bad for the retarded faces and general yas-queenery

>>10096948
Cyberpunk /lit/ is bad. Not steampunk bad, but still. Neuromancer is the best out there and it's still mediocrity with sparks of absolute brilliance.

>>10098871
The yas queenery looks like the least of the books' problems anon.

>>10092589

Today's excerpt comes from the Averoigne tale The Beast Of Averoigne, a story in a medieval France setting.

---

I, a poor scrivener and the humblest monk of the Benedictine Abbey of Perigon, have been asked by our abbot Theophile to write down this record of a strange evil that is still rampant, still unquelled. And, ere I have done writing, it may be that the evil shall come forth again from its lurking-place, and again be manifest.

We, the friars of Perigon, and all others who have knowledge of this thing, agree that its advent was coeval with the first rising of the red comet which still burns nightly, a flying balefire, above the moonless hills. Like Satan's rutilant hair, trailing on the wind of Gehenna as he hastens worldward, it rose below the Lion in early summer; and now it follows the Scorpion toward the western woods. Some say that the horror came from the comet, flying without wings to earth across the stars. And truly, before this summer of 1369, and the lifting of that red, disastrous scourge upon the heavens, there was no rumor or legend of such a thing in all Averoigne.

As for me, I must deem that the beast is a spawn of the seventh hell, a foulness born of the bubbling, flame-blent ooze; for it has no likeness to the beasts of earth, to the creatures of air and water. And the comet may well have been the fiery vehicle of its coming.

To me, for my sins and unworthiness, was it first given to behold the beast. Surely the sight thereof was a warning of those ways which lead to perdition: for on that occasion I had broken the rule of St. Benedict which forbids eating during a one-day's errand away from the monastery. I had tarried late, after bearing a letter from Theophile to the good priest of Ste. Zenobie, though I should have been back well before evensong. And also, apart from eating, I had drunk the mellow white wine of Ste. Zenobie with its kindly people. Doubtless because I had done these things, I met the nameless, night-born terror in the woods behind the abbey when I returned.

The day had vanished, fading unaware; and the long summer eve, without moon, had thickened to a still and eldritch darkness ere I approached the abbey postern. And hurrying along the forest path, I felt an eerie fear of the gnarled, hunchback oaks and their pit-deep shadows. And when I saw between their antic boughs the vengefully streaming fire of the new comet, which seemed to pursue me as I went, the goodly warmth of the wine died out and I began to regret my truancy. For I knew that the comet was a harbinger of ill, an omen of death and Satanry to come.

>>10098873
Johnny Mnemonic was pretty good. I wonder if the other cyberpunk shorts out there are good too.

>>10097169
Didn't read Warbreaker beforehand so I missed out on the reveal in Stormlight.

The more recent (wild west) Mistborn books are alright, but that might just be because I already knew about the magic system and just liked seeing the changes.
I'd agree though he isn't that great, still a little biased though cause of the Jordan-Sanderson shift in WoT

>>10098880
Shorts being the key word. Altered Carbon is pretty good tho. Other than that, Blade Runner and Chinese Cartoons are the only actual good things in the genre. It relies too much on visuals to work in book form.

>>10098889
forgot to take the name off

on that note, anyone else read Monster Hunter Siege? last part wasn't that great, but the build up when they were getting everything together was awesome. liked seeing how the other monster hunters around the world did their thing

Is the Honor Harrington series any good?

>>10097679
>Blindsight
>>10098519

Thanks dudes

I wish I'd never seen Peter Jacksons movies

>>10099005
If you constantly try to wash them out of your head LotR is still a great reread.

>tfw low fantasy LotR miniseries never

>>10098961
The first four or five books are great. Afterwards it's a slow decline into Honor becoming a perfect Mary Sue, bracketed by giant descriptions of X number of missiles meeting Y number of anti-missiles and Z number of ships being destroyed, and I would suggest not reading further after the war ends in I think book 10 or 11.

>>10098876
I like Hyperborea and Zothique, but Averoigne is still GOAT.

>>10097679
I am not a dummy, you dummy.

>>10099005
He tried to warm you

What tts app do you guys use when you can't find audiobooks for a certain series?

>>10099447
gross

>>10099102
I like the way his Zothique, Hyperborea and Averoigne stories have a distinct tone, with Averoigne being more wry, playing with medieval cliches like hapless monks, seductive witches and sorceresses, venal bishops, vampires, and things lurking in the woods. I've read about half of them; Holiness of Azadarac my favourite, Mother Of Toads being the most memorable.

Books like Jin?

>>10099448
We know you haven't "read" a book, text, or otherwise for this year, so why don't you let the adults talk huh?

>>10099569
talk to each other in halting robot voices that mispronounce half the words and all the names?

>>10099559

>>10099572
>any port in a storm
There are a lot of books I never could complete because they never finished all the audiobooks and I'm no longer NEET.

Will Wright and his anime incarnate series will never be fullied enjoyed by me because it looks like he will never release book 3.

>>10099581
No don't be that way anon

>Haven't read Vance yet
>Heard he used a lot of obscure words and some made up ones
>Making a Vance vocab Anki Deck using the Fluent Forever method
>Won't be able to meme me when I do read his stuff

Rate my autism.

>>10099612
Don't Bogart it when you finish it.

Vance usually set off his terms with footnotes. Now that Wolfeasaurus, he sure likes making up Latin.

Elric of melnibone is OK so far after 70 pages. Prose is downright ordinary though. Its better then hawkmoon. Can't shake the feeling that moorcock is a bash em out hack who lucked into an iconic character in the albino king who needs drugs to live

>>10099710
>making up
Brainlet pleb detected

any good fantasy books with romance?
something about protag slowly falling in love?
i tried reading good intentions but that kinda wasnt my coup of tea and too much focused on sex rather on adventure. also fucking sad holy shit all them flashbacks.
im looking for something kinda like maybe the wakfu tv show if anyone saw that kinda something like tristipan and eva have going on. but obviously with more adventure.
also not as fucking hopeless like dark lord. man that shit was depressing.

Does /sffg/ like reading women author's? Which is your favorite?

>>10100066
You're going to trigger the resident autist who flips out whenever women authors are mentioned. But I really like Trudi Canavan's Black Magician trilogy, plus Le Guin's stuff is quite charming to read as well.

What are the best books on steampunk and dieselpunk?

>>10097857
The first one was clever because it was some guy skewering the idiocy of the original image. All the others are just mindless imitations completely missing the point. What's really terrible is that this just shows 4chan has become reddit in truth, because now all the stupid kids here do the exact same shit everybody hated reddit for a few years ago: any time a funny joke comes along they shamelessly copy it regardless of its original context to churn out painfully unfunny forced memes.

>>10100080
The only one I think is worth reading is Against the Day by Thomas Pynchon.

>>10100066
I liked the authors in "female urban fantasy " in the chart >>10092205 back in the day.

>>10100066
Ada Palmer.

>>10100071
Imagine being triggered by more than half of the population, what a fucking life that must be.

>>10100066
Mary Shelley no?

>>10100248
Nobody here is triggered by woman authors, that's a meme. And even if they unironically were (implying you have a foolproof irony detector) there's literally nothing wrong with believing any segment of the population is less capable.

just finished the second book of the Nevernight Chronicle

didn't expect the massive /u/ turn

>>10100066
I mean, yeah, why not? Cherryh of course.

>>10092205
Is there a reason urban fantasy is split up by gender?

>>10099005
>>10099020
They're two different universes to me. I watched the movies first but actually like the books more.

>>10100263
>a segment of the population

The most incapable segment of the population is made of Laotian Water Buffalo Riding Enthusiast Hut dwellers.

>>10100263
>nothing wrong with being a bigot
>while being an unemployed NEET

Hipocrisy for one.

>>10100300
That's not how hypocrisy works or is spelled.

>>10100301
Whatever. Self awareness then.

>>10100306
Back at you.

>>10100263
>Nobody here is triggered
>There's literally nothing wrong with believing any segment of the population is less capable
Nice damage control retard.

>>10100310
You're getting awfully heated, anon. Did something someone said... trigger you?

>>10100306
>if you have a job you can be a bigot
????

>>10100307
>no you

How miserable you must be if you need to shit on any segment of the population to feel better about yourself and your shitty life. And you do seem triggered.

>>10100313
>say that you are not triggered
>immediately post how triggered you are
>immediately give a (you) indicating how triggered you are
Upvoted!

>>10100307
>getting so assblasted you post this
My sides.

>>10100316
meant for >>10100263

>>10100317
Who's doing any of that? Are you going to discuss this like a reasonable adult or are you going to draw motivations for me out of nowhere?

>>10100317
>>How miserable you must be if you need to shit on any segment of the population to feel better about yourself and your shitty life.
Why do you hate NEETs? Some of the best authors were NEETs.

>>10100327
>reasonable adult

Top kek.

>>10100323
Imagine bringing up the "anons hate women authors" meme as if it were real before any anon actually had the chance to post it.

>>10100341
Imagine being such a retarded newshit that you immediately assume I posted that shit.

>>10100332
Fucking who? Besides Duncesman, Lovecraft and Conanman I can't name one worth a fucking read.

>>10100344
Imagine believing that who posted what matters or that anyone cared who we were before we put on our masks.

>>10100350
Topkek bigguyforyou whatdidhemeanbythis drpavelihavedickburnsduetochronicmasturbation

>>10100345
Hawthorne. Rappacini's Daughter is great.

>>10100345
Emily Dickinson

>>10098555
>I don't find none of those Nippons attractive at all...

Well that's good because they are children.

>>10098314
I enjoy the rough aspect of web novels.

>>10100365
>>10100369
This is strerching it. Neither Nate nor Em were NEETs.

>>10096631
no u r

>>10100357
>imagine being so retarded that you post this

>>10100357
What did he mean by this?

>>10094040
Hammer's Slammers is not Weber. Try again.

>>10100388
A good fap.

>>10095754
Plenty of older stuff still to dive into, thankfully.

>>10100066
>Does /sffg/ like reading women author's? Which is your favorite?
I can't remember ever having the Miles Vorkosigan series seen mentioned here, by Lois McMaster-Bujold. An absolutely great read and much recommended. The first two books, Shards of Honor and Barrayar are basically prequels and don't even feature the main protagonist yet, but they are still great. The epilogue of Shards of Honor is still the most heartrending piece of literature I know, makes me tear up every time I read it.

>>10099612
You're dumb. Just look up unfamiliar words as you find them. Anki is good for learning vocab words in a new language where your comprehension isn't good enough to provide context but there's no reason for in your native language.

>>10100278
When the general started years ago people asked for "male protagonist" and "female protagonist" so I whipped that up. It was supposed to contain other things (apocalyptic, rape, etc) but making charts is hard time consuming work, and if you don't plan and organized what you are putting on, and what goes where you will have problems. You can see my recent (last year) attempts at finishing this here>>10098519 still wanted to add more, but my autism timed out and I couldn't build up enough autism since then to complete it.

Donkey or some other autist please make a new thread when this one reaches autosage. I'm hitting the sack and those womanmeme autists nearly nuked the thread leaving us 7 post before the limit is reached.

>>10100066
I highly enjoyed Nicola Griffith's Hild

>author's
You don't need to use an apostrophe

>People here read books written by women
lol

>>10100066
In SFFG Susanna Clarke, Le Guin and Diana Wynne Jones are among my favorites.

>>10100719
>women won't even talk to me
Topkek

>>10100771
Every single book a woman writes is about romance and drama, always with stupid implicit liberalist views in a medieval society where it doesn't belong.
Who wants to read that crap ?

>>10100805
I was tricked into reading a few chapters of one before I realized, just from the plot & text, that this author with initials is in fact a woman.

>>10100800
Which you know telepathically because you have never read a book written by a woman.

>>10100800
>I'd have to rent a prostitute to get laid

>>10100811
>I read a few chapters from one book and binned it
I've read a few chapters from a few hundred books most of them written by men and deleted the books right after as they were completely and utterly shite especially pic related.

If you haven't found a good female author yet, you simply haven't read enough because 99% of everything is shit. In fact, I'd go as far as 9 in every 10 recommendations in this thread and all those charts is complete shit because most everyone has the shittest taste in existence.

>>10100800
You'd be surprised how many cringey romances are written by men.

Look no further than anime, actually.

>>10100843
>>10100870
t. buttmad wimmen

>>10100915
I'm not female, you fucking schizophrenic retard.

>>10100923
no, you are just a beta male loser who recommends people read FEMALE LITERATURE lol
Read this stupid book about fucking vampires and dragons haha

>>10100929
Donkey or some other autist please make a new thread when this one reaches autosage. I'm hitting the sack and those cuck /pol/ tier schizophrenic autistic retards who know how to post lol because they live on facebook nearly nuked the thread leaving us 7 post before the limit is reached.

>>10100939
What else can you expect from retards who like books like "Blindsight"
fucking vampires in space
And the aliens are also vampires or some stupid shit

>>10100945
>uh-oh Peter Watts is a female
So this is the power of /pol/.

>>10100818
That's me.

>>10100956
He's a massive liberal faggot
and worse than a woman, he's a canadian

>>10100961

>>10100967
Okay anon, you can save your pathetic remains of your shit taste for another day.

>>10100968
Nah, it was good experience. After that i understood that fap far better and superior in every way.

>>10100976
As long as you enjoyed it.

>>10100094
I think most of them retain the joke and build on it. maybe the boards you go to have poor meme distributors

New thread:
>>10101090
>>10101090
>>10101090

>>10100265
>massive /u/ turn

This is very relevant to my interests, how is the rest of the book? Characters, prose and story in general.

>>10101225
It's pretty good

>>10100843
>my tastes are better than yours
Careful with the pretentious affluent attitude there son.

>>10088910
Silmarillion
best tragedy