/lit/ - Literature

I dare you to find a more haunting villain than Sephiroth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRQcNbmJ_q0

Who has better anime prose: Robert Jordan or Brandon Sanderson?

>>10069724
Isn't Khaladin banned from using shardblades?

>>10069753
RJ's prose was bretty gud

>Someone writing a webserial with fanfiction tier prose and plot is making thousands off patreon and you aren't

I really liked the first book of The Prince Of Nothing trilogy: I read 54 books last year, and The Darkness That Comes Before was one of the 10 best. The second installment is so much of a disappointment
The plot seems to not move forward. By page 80 not a single new thing has happened. Boring. I thought things would get better when the action starts, but the first big battle scene lacks the poetry of the first book, and feels clunky & predictable. So if even the action isn’t redeeming, why keep on reading?
The characters seem to have lost their depth. In the first chapters Achamian keeps on repeating he is in doubt for pages and pages and pages. We get it. Move on, Bakker. Kellhus is a kind of superman – that was obvious in the previous book too – but it seems his Bene Gesseritish nature only gets more and more cartoonish. As for the side characters, all the nobles and generals seem interchangeable and generic, and seem to behave like children. To me, they felt like names and names and names, not characters.
Fuck this book.

>>10069780
They aren't making enough desu

neal stephenson´s snow crash feel like a like light novel by to aro majutsu no index author; k. kamachi

Red Rising felt like I was reading some 15 year old Jap's isekai story.

>merlon
>don't know what that is
>the solid part of a crenellated parapet between two embrasures.
>don't know what parapets, crenellated or embrasure is
R-ree

>>10069885

>>10069724
Name a more unaesthetic vidya than final fantasy. Protip: you Kant.

>>10069724
>Anime in Prose Edition.
You mean japanese light novels like Haruhi, Durarara adn Trinity Blood?

I want a change of pace for some reason. Could you /r/ me some books that feature a weak and (intentionally) cowardly protagonist? Only criterion besides not sucking. No real picky preferences for genre, setting, tone, etc..

>>10069917
why not just say battlements? it's much more common usage

>>10069969

>>10069796
>not enjoying Akkas wild suffering trip: the book.

>>10069969
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant.

I liked it, but many people don't.

>>10070009
shinji is so fucking cute

>>10069753
Jordan. There's a couple of problems with WoT but Sanderson really butchered the ending, the contrast between his writing and Jordan's was quite jarring.

>>10069996
Because muh thesaurus

>>10069796
>I read 54 books last year
Pleb

>>10069816
>comparing snow snow crash and magical index
Tomoa doesn't fuck the codex.. But the ninjas do fuck the loli...

>>10070090
>recommending that again
Why do you like to trigger me?

>>10070165
What a useless pile of shit. Your reading list is the equivalent of watching 76 Hollywood summer blockbusters.

>>10070165
>76 shit books
>all that pleb trash
You fuckers actually read these brain dead drivel?

I was annoyed by all the tales, campfire stories and songs in Lord of the Rings. I would like to know which authors approach world building similarly to Tolkien so I can avoid them.

>>10070215
>>10070217
>pleb police on patrol

>>10070231
>pleb police
Indeed. Policing plebs like you.

>>10070187
I don't know what you're talking about.

This is the first time I've recommended it.

Is Will Wight good? His books?

Any good books with interspecies romance? It doesn't have to be the main plot/focus of the book, but I'd like if it was included like pic related.

>>10070543
The Girl with all the Gifts is the best by far.

>>10070525
Depends on how much you like anime

>>10070569
Is this a meme?

>>10070604
Is it not a romance? Perhaps you forget how our non-human character views our lead human?

>>10068401
You are a patrician gentleman of the first water.
I haven't noticed any illustrations in the ebooks either and I have over half a dozen at this point. I have noticed the footnotes tend to have asterisks misaligned to the right side, at least on a Kobo (a regrettable purchase).

I downloaded the archive of "Cosmopolis", the newsletter of the VIE. Presumably at least some illustrations were published within; I'll have a look.

Give me the hardest of all hard scifi ever written

>>10070615
Dhalgren

>>10070611
I'm a pleb, sorry. Outer space is where I was expecting. Plus I saw the movie and didn't like it. I didn't even know it was based on a book.

>>10069996
What if your character is walking the battlements while inspecting the investing forces and has to duck an arrow or two? What did he duck behind?

>>10069774
syl is his shardblade, and shardshield, and more than likely his shardplate at some point in the future, when his power level increases of course.

>>10070622
>Gay black author

>>10070630
Ah, that sucks, the book is really just a love story and is fantastic. Hate when books get shit rushed adaptions to movies for cash grabs.

>>10070690
I mean, you are literally book by it's cover cancer? "I'm an alt right faggot but I'm ironically not okay with faggots"

>>10070613
"To Live Forever" is such a better name than fucking "Clarges".

>>10070221
Those were my favorite parts, and I'm baffled that people would be turned off by them.

>>10069724
Can anyone recommend me some good right wing fiction?

>>10070788

Trump's pre-election promises.

>>10070795
Drumpf amirite xDD??

>>10070797
It was too obvious, I couldn't help it.

>>10070707
I don't disagree. Perhaps when you or I write enough material that a group of fans spontaneously gathers it up and restores it to manuscript form, then we can choose our favorite names rather than whatever the popped into the editor's head.

Pretty new to reading sci fi and fantasy. I just got done with Hyperion. I'd like to read things to do with pagan religions (particularly European ones), any fiction with good mystery, anything to do with a party of characters going on an adventure, and anything having various religions conflict with each other (like Lions of Al-Rassan).

Snyone got anything?

>>10070788
>General
Starship Troopers
Lucifer's Hammer
The Mote in God's Eye

>Libertarian
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
The Golden Age

Religious
>A Canticle for Leibowitz
>Out of the Silent Planet

>>10069774
The book explains shardblades are remnants of dead spren.

>finally reached the climax of ilium

this is some crazy shit, familias

>>10069944

Call of Duty: Black Nazis

>>10070747
>This is unlike what I consider the norm for a book
>This makes me angry

It's a sign of literally being a pleb

>>10070747
It's content more suited for encyclopedias. Readers also got better at identifying filler that doesn't advance the plot.

>>10071027
>Readers also got better at identifying filler that doesn't advance the plot.
>best-selling fantasy authors
>Jordan
>GRRM
>Sanderson

Yeah, uh, not sure about your assertion there.

>>10071027
>Readers also got better at identifying filler that doesn't advance the plot.
>Chortles externally

>>10070943
yeah. call of duty was a super realistic game with the respawns and kill streaks and shit.

sci-fi is shit

>>10071027
Just because something doesn't advance the plot doesn't mean it's filler. You might as well just read a book's Wikipedia summary if all you consider relevant is what advances the plot.

>>10071107
So is fantasy.

Now, please head back to outer /lit/.

>>10070813
>>10070707
>>10070613
SLOPE SLOPE SLOPE

>>10071044
Your crusty dinosaur ass is just salty af cause people shit on a book you read when first released. Fuck your nostalgia.

>>10070873
when is book 3 coming out???? i cant wait anymore

>>10071242
Nothing wrong with old books. Lotr is dated though. I agree with that.

>>10071260
>LOTR
>Dated
So this... is autism.

Excerpt from the beginning of The Charnel God, a Zothique tale, where a wayfarer falls foul of local religious custom.

---

"Mordiggian is the god of Zul-Bha-Sair," said the innkeeper with unctuous solemnity. "He has been the god from years that are lost to man's memory in shadow deeper than the subterranes of his black temple. There is no other god in Zul-Bha-Sair. And all who die within the walls of the city are sacred to Mordiggian. Even the kings and the optimates, at death, are delivered into the hands of his muffled priests. It is the law and the custom. A little while, and the priests will come for your bride."

"But Elaith is not dead," protested the youth Phariom for the third or fourth time, in piteous desperation. "Her malady is one that assumes the lying likeness of death. Twice before has she lain insensible, with a pallor upon her cheeks and a stillness in her very blood, that could hardly be distinguished from those of the tomb; and twice she has awakened after an interim of days."

The innkeeper peered with an air of ponderous unbelief at the girl who lay white and motionless as a mown lily on the bed in the poorly furnished attic chamber.

"In that case you should not have brought her into Zul-Bha-Sair," he averred in a tone of owlish irony. "The physician has pronounced her dead; and her death has been reported to the priests. She must go to the temple of Mordiggian."

"But we are outlanders, guests of a night. We have come from the land of Xylac, far in the north; and this morning we should have gone on through Tasuun, toward Pharaad, the capital of Yoros, which lies near to the southern sea. Surely your god could have no claim upon Elaith, even if she were truly dead."

"All who die in Zul-Bha-Sair are the property of Mordiggian," insisted the taverner sententiously. "Outlanders are not exempt. The dark maw of his temple yawns eternally, and no man, no child, no woman, throughout the years, has evaded its yawning. All mortal flesh must become, in due time, the provender of the god."

>>10071260
>Lotr is dated though
This is your brain on genre. Any questions?

>>10071255
if you can't wait, tor is shitting out a few chapters of oathbringer every week for free.

last week we learned syl likes breaking into houses too watch people fuck.

>>10071242
>that one guy who hates everything written before he was born
>therefore reads nothing written after 2002

>>10070788
Just search for an alt-right blog or something.

>>10071278
>lying likeness
I feel as if there's a single word for this but I can't find it.
What does he mean here by a 'tone of owlish irony'?

>>10069796
i've worked my way through these books this year too. was sold to me as a metaphysical whodunit, severely letdown.

first trilogy was interesting and different than other fantasy series i've read, so it had that going for it. then we flip to aspect-emperor and it's all the salvation of the world is found through proyas' butthole, the sranc and nonmen are utterly depraved, and let's slog through another 30 pages of esmenet failing to rule competently while her shitstain of a son runs around murdereating people.

it's definitely gone downhill, and bakker is so far up his own asshole. he can't take any criticism and his fansite is a gigantic echo chamber that must stroke his ego in ways that his wife seems unable to

>>10069740

I'll take you up on that challenge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7uscfKrjA

Anyone know where to find an omnibus copy of Jack Vance's Lyonesse? The cheapest I'm finding is around 150 for a used copy. Is it either that or buying the individual books?

>I know, with a sureness beyond proof, that you sail into a trap
>and I beg you by the milk I gave you as a child, and the kisses as a man to stay home this one time
h-he fucked his mother didn't he...
These old books are filled with so much rape and incest.

>>10070788

Dune in particular, and then also Book of the New Sun.

>>10071830
https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=553599&hilit=lyonesse

>>10071830
Spatterlight Press has the individual books available as paperbacks on Amazon:
>https://jackvance.com/signatureseries/#vol52
Looks like US & Canada only. His son or whoever runs the estate probably doesn't have the rights back yet overseas.
>$18 each
Ouch. Yeah, I'm cool with the ebook omnibus @ $15.

>>10071856
>>10071861

Thanks, friends. I'll just buy them individually eventually. I don't like e-books. I've only read Dying Earth so far, and Cugel is one of my favorite characters I've ever encountered. I've got The Demon Princes in omnibus to enjoy before seeking out the individual ones for Lyonesse.

>>10071541
>therefore reads nothing written after 2002
That makes no sense. What you're writing means the person doesn't exist. He is a ghost.

>>10071835
If Sanderson wrote like this he could slip so much rape incest buggery and debauchery into his novels, but he insists to write in his layman's prose. Explaining every fucking thing. Nothing is left to the imagination or misunderstanding.

Hey. Looking for some creative and original Sci Fi after reading Quantum Thief trilogy by Hannu Rajaniemi and loving every bit of it.

>>10070165
>76
Weak. I did around 150.
This is the power of a NEET job in the graveyard shift and free access to my pirated epubs.

>>10070525
Depends. If you're after deep philosophy or great prose, might give him a miss.
But if you want what /sffg/ calls anime, i.e. a high magic setting full of badasses, a protag that goes from nobody to really powerfull by actually training and well written fight scenes full of superpowered swordsmen versus elemental summoners and master ninjas versus mage swashbucklers you might love him.
If you like Brent Weeks, Jim Butcher or Brandon Sanderson, you'll like him.

>>10072021
>Quantum Thief trilogy by Hannu Rajaniemi
Fun fact this book is 4chan in prose. You have memes, autism , roleplaying, d, etc

>>10071965
>Cugel is one of my favorite characters

>>10070165
Is this a troll?
>all those meme books
You guys just make fake accounts and fill them up with nonsense right?

Alright fuckers I need a fun fantasy series to listen to, Harry Potter tier.

>>10072122
>Harry Potter tier

Eragon :^)

>>10070919
YES. It is the most crazy book i ever read. Enjoy it, you will remember this book for your whole life because probably nothing will ever tops it.

>>10072122
The name of the wind.
It's like pretentious Harry Potter.

>>10072122
Anything by Sanderson.
They're fun and light, and the production quality of the audio books is so good they're like radio dramas.

>>10072132
Thanks!
>>10072171
Just finished Radiance, the audiobooks are patrician for sure. Shallan is a qtp2t

>>10072182
>he likes Shallan

>>10071559
Are lefties really this pissy? You guys really do deserve a free helicopter ride

>>10072122
Harry Potter tier as in clean? No GRI?

>>10072198
Can right wingers really not take a joke?

>>10071830
Holy shit I bought the Gollancz omnibus like 2 years ago for ~$25 and just looked it up.

>>10072021
The Golden Age is similar to Quantum Thief but better imo.

Any books with big sprawling battles/formations? Something somewhat similar to pic related, just generally varied battles with lots of numbers involved.

What do you guys snack on while reading?

>>10072538
snacking is for fat people

>>10072559
Please don't call me fat I have a very low self esteem

>>10072571
Probably because you are fat.

>>10072198
Did you get triggered? End yourself you fucking spastic

>>10072559
Im fat. I like chips while eating and milk

>>10072571
stop snacking then

all you need between meals is water to drink

I hate eating.

>>10072538
Nothing, I don't want to get food in my books.

>>10069996
Because they're not the same thing? That's like asking 'why say door, why not just say house?'

>>10072670
I didn't say you could respond to me.

>>10072441
The Second Apocalypse septilogy by R Scott Bakker.

>>10072365
>muh trump
>muh Alt Right

Hahaha so funny.

>>10072538
Puss

>>10072736
I'll take that as a 'no' then

>>10072787
Come up with good jokes and maybe I will. Otherwise I'm not really in the mood to shitpost with leftist scum on /lit/.

>>10072609
It's my happy food

Man, the characters in Too Like The Memes really enjoy fucking talking to each other. Violence is obsolete because of the razor-sharp verbal intellect of ersatz priests? OK. And wouldn't you guess, written by a woman.

Please tell me these faggots are about to get fucking reckt -- the toy soldiers look like a possible Chekhov's gun. Only way I'm going to pick up the next book.

>exposed shallan safehand in latest oathbringer preview
l-lewd

>>10073154
*reluctantly gives tor.com a pageview*

>>10073154
what a fucking slut

>>10073154
Woah, this female character is not like other lead female characters in fantasy, she defies the traditional gender roles of her background and the setting!

>>10073154
t. adolin

>>10071835
Name of book?... asking for a friend

>tfw so excited reading the chapter i can't actually read it

Is The Unholy Consult really THAT bad? I'm lurking through amazon reviews right now and almost all of them have 1 star rating.

Why does this book get insulted so much?

Where do I go to find good pulp?

>>10073258
Look no further than Robert E. Howard.

>>10073245
Goodreads is a better please to gather reviews. Amazon is filled with bible thumpers and gri turns them away instantly.

>>10073258
>>10073258
>your waifu's vagina
That is so true. These people feel robin from one piece is untouched when she was a vagina amongst sailors from the age of nine, or name who would sell her ass for a necklace, or that weapons girl who "just wants to be useful" she probably passed her vag to everyone that asked.

All vaginas are loose used up holes. Fantasy taught me this, and those that aren't loose will give it up to the first ultra-chad that comes their way.

>>10073245
People are mad it ends on a cliffhanger and what happens to their husbando Sorwheel

>>10073257
>zero plot development
>almost no Rand
>Elayne being her royal cunty self
>muh Faile
>muh Tuon
>Im-the-amyrlin-bow-yall Egwene and her henhouse

>>10070613
Appreciate it, Donks old bean.

I read Night Lamp just recently on e-book and I went and checked, and I can confirm that the VIE has an illustration, and the ebook doesn't. So as you and another Anon surmised, this is probably why they aren't identical.

In a related matter, FUCK. I knew I should have gone through the books with a fine-tooth comb. This definitely shouldn't be there.

>>10070613
>>10073380
Here's the image proper.

>>10070613
>>10073380
And here's a Cugel the Clever illustration that was close by so I took a pic of it too. All of the illos are in this style. I don't remember how many there are (one per volume? one per novel?)... That info might be in the Cosmopolis set you got.

>>10073056
>I don't understand what they are talking about
Start with the Greeks, especially the Iliad.

>this is nsfw on roshar's 4chan

>>10073479
Delet this

This is a sfw board

Is Dalinar the biggest chad in stormlight?
>Spends his entire 20s in pure chad warrior mode
>Doesn't even need a reason to fight
>Gets enemies to join him through pure force of personality
>Cucks his dead brother and gets away with it
>Cucks his nephew out of the throne
>Bonds god instead of a random spren
>Gives up a priceless weapon without a second thought
>Has never even heard of old age

>>10070830
>pagan religions (particularly European ones),
The most important rec would be American Gods by Neil Gaiman. The series by Rick Riordan (Percy Jackson, Kane Chronicles, Magnus Chase) are YA, but they're actually pretty well researched and informative on mythology. For a more adult action take theres James Lovegrove Pantheon series, each book is a separate world, based on the idea of if X pantheon existed or came back.

>any fiction with good mystery,
Hard to say, I'm not much of a mistery reader. There are a lot of Urban Fantasy books with private eyes and mage cops, but mostly the mistery takes a backseat to action.
For mistery itself, I would recommend the Garrett P.I. series by Glen Cook, basically Nero Wolfe in a fantasy setting, the Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovich, a good police procedural, and the Lord Darcy series by Randall Garrett.

>anything to do with a party of characters going on an adventure
Most of all fantasy series have this, but for something that feels more like 'everybody contributes' instead of the usual 'MC and his entourage' I recommend the works of David Eddings, all of it, and the Dragon Knight series by Gordon R. Dickison.

>and anything having various religions conflict with each other (like Lions of Al-Rassan)
This one is harder, I can think of several series where it's organized religion after the protags, ororganized religion interfering with a kingdom, or a chosen one fighting against an evil religion/god, but straight religion against religion... Can't really remember one, sorry.

>>10072441
The Traitor Son cycle, by Miles Cameron. First book is The Red Knight. The MC is a commander of a mercenary company and a good chunk of each book is about medieval warfare and army versus army.

So i started reading Wheel of Time a while ago.
Currently on book 2.

I just wanted to know, does the author's femdom fetish ever slow down?
I don't mind it THAT much desu but there could be some of the opposite too.

>>10073635
Literally no.

Enjoy your woman on woman spankings

>>10073670
I will, but damn you'd think in 14 books there would be some room for variety

>>10073380
Oh my. How does that even happen? Was this one of the late sets?
Still, take comfort in knowing that I envy you, defiled apocryphal page and all.

Paul Rhoads did these, you said? They're surprisingly decent: reminds me of the illustrations from the better editions of the Frank Baum Oz books. I wouldn't go so far as to actively long for them, though--my ebooks are now satisfactory.

Most kind of you, sir!

>>10072844
Shut the FUCK up!

>>10073380
Oh, and something else that may interest you; I was reading through the Demon Princes over the summer and came across this excerpt in "The Face":
"Gersen went to the bar. A shelf to the rear displayed a multitude of beer mugs, imprinted with as many emblems. Gersen saw a number of familiar labels: Vergence and True Companion from Alphanor; Obladense and Old Subterranean from Copus, Smade’’s Own from Smade’’s Planet; Bass Ale, Hinano, Tusker, Anchor Steam from Earth; Mahogany Select from Derdyra, Edelfrimpschen from Bogardus: Gersen felt himself in the presence of old friends. In the spirit of the time and place he requested a flask of the local brew, Hangry's White Ale, which he found eminently palatable."

Naturally I wondered if the Earth beers were actually extant. I checked and they are! I even managed to try three of them (the Hinano--a Tahitian beer--isn't available nearby but is in CA).

>>10070788
Heinlein is always a good bet.
If you're looking for some modern pulp, try Larry Correia.

>>10072571
You'll have better self esteem of you lose some weight, fatty.

>>10073635
if anything it just increases over time

>>10073722
Yes, the book was part of the second printing. Must have been a mistake in quality control... Alas, I don't think there's much chance of finding a replacement copy anytime soon. Oh well.

Yes, the same guy who spearheaded the VIE project, as far as I'm aware. To be honest, at first I didn't like them at all, but they've grown on me. They just don't show up very well on the regular VIE volumes since the books are relatively small. The "Compact" VIE - six behemoth volumes - reproduced the illos, and they look better there.

>>10073792
That's an awesome find! I've often wondered how much is pure imagination, and how much is inspired by his travelling, which I gather he did a lot.

>>10073953
>Larry Correia
MHI reads like I'm hanging out in the woods with my crazy uncle.
I love it.

>>10069724
Can anyone rec some fantasy with strong emphasis on the church?

>>10074037
The Bible.

>>10074037
It won't keep you occupied for long, but I'd really recommend spending an afternoon while with "The Sun and I" by KJ Parker. You can read it online.

>>10073990
>I've often wondered how much is pure imagination, and how much is inspired by his travelling, which I gather he did a lot.
In the case of the beer, I would hazard at least two are direct from his known experience: Anchor Steam is an old working-class beer from 'Frisco, the stomping ground of his early manhood, several iterations removed from its roots as Gold Rush swill.
Hinano, a Tahitian beer as noted previously, would seem to come from his time spent there in '64 or '65, where he wrote "The Last Castle".
The other two aren't as obvious; Bass Ale is a relatively ubiquitous English beer while Tusker is an east African beer. Perhaps the former could be traced to his time in the Merchant Marine (or later travels in the U.K.) and the latter to their sojourn in Cape Town.

I wonder what Vance focused on during their travels. I know they tended to rent a place and write/edit. He seemed capable of producing detailed local cultures at will in his writing, usually without any great degree of judgement which to me indicates he was greatly skilled in observing local differences without falling into the trap of corrupting those memories with his personal biases. I suppose John would know...

>>10074106
Impressive background knowledge! Have you read his autobiography? I haven't, but as I heard it it's pretty much about everything except his writing, and more about his travelling, etc. Those questions might be illuminated therein.

You can probably reach John through the JV website too, though I gather he's quite busy...

>>10074207
Thank you, although you might as justly say, "nice obsession you have there" =D.
>Have you read his autobiography?
>I heard it's pretty much about everything except his writing
I have and that's true; it's more a summarized biography of himself. Even his own feelings on events he lists in his life are muted. My gut feeling is that he was intensely private, at least at secondhand distance. In any event, his travel recollections are mostly of the, 'we spent some time here and wrote this' variety rather than 'we went here, did this, I noted that which led to the idea of the witches of the Weirdlands.'
>>10074207
>You can probably reach John through the JV website too, though I gather he's quite busy...
Yes, so I would imagine and I'm loath to pester him when no doubt so many have asked and had these questions answered, not least the members of the VIE project. I also wonder how much, if I were in his shoes, I would enjoy strangers from the ether contacting me about my father's life while having little interest in my own.

>>10073258
If it's from a Weird Tales contributor and in a recent print (i.e. lasted the ages) then chances are it has merit. Obviously Lovecraft, who I rate. Clark Ashton Smith, equally. Robert Howard, sometimes good, other times cringeworthy.

I find it fascinating to compare these writers and their qualities. If I had the wherewithal I would construct an SFFG-worthy meme of these three amigos of weird fiction on a white podium: Howard Lovecraft's disembodied head on a the first place, with his sheepish smirk; Howard finds these displays a little unseemly but he is inwardly appreciative. And the congenial Californian Clark Ashton a close second, a photo finish, nothing in it, may have been first on another day, and happy to concede to HPL; and the inwardly insecure hatted figure of Robert Howard in third, a solitary blue tear rolling down his cheek - his perfect action men protags would be embarrassed.

>>10074322
Heh, I would not do that, as it would be a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. I collect SF&F books (Vance being a primary target) which is itself bit of an obsession.

Good to know re: the autobiography. I was never particularly interested in it, and while I will read it eventually, I don't feel in any more of a hurry than I did before.

Also, I understand perfectly your sentiments re: contacting him. I'd feel the same as you do.

>>10074599
>I collect SF&F books (Vance being a primary target)
If I may ask, which other authors would qualify as 'primary targets' for your reliquary?

I am super autistic for greek mythology, i want something similar.
Political intrigue.
Gray morality.
Human protagonist fighting in humans wars and against god's humors.
The brutality of war.
A dark yet beautiful atmosphere.
Magic is dangerous but the gods powers are good.
Active gods.
A world with monsters and half humans but without being too commons.
The far lands are mysterious and unexplored.
Something like that.

Any good fantasy or sci-fi that deals with spooky underwater shit?

>>10074702
Anasûrimbor Kellhus is awaiting you.

>>10074686
I'm not actually sure I'd call anyone else a primary target, and that is because Vance is the only one of my four favourite authors who has been religiously published in specialized editions, which I'm mostly after. Collecting paperbacks and trade hardcovers is an absolute PITA if you (1) don't live in the US or UK (depending on author origin), or (2) the author doesn't have a solid foundation of fellow collectors available, or (3) the book isn't an acknowledged classic. By that I mean it is especially hard to source those rare 1st editions in good condition, and that shipping fees are exorbitant.

So, while I get pretty much everything, say, KJ Parker has written, I don't try to track him down with the same intensity as with JV.

So, aside from JV, I actually have a more shotgun approach in that I follow some small presses (old and current), and then try to get something from them that I know I like.

>>10074803
I understand your thinking regarding collecting. I myself collected a number of Vance works in hardback until I found out about the VIE, which to my thinking rendered further pursuit as pointless as sifting the sand on Shanglestone Strand.
>KJ Parker
I shall give him a try. My library lists:
>The Devil You Know
>Blue and Gold
>Purple and Black
>The Company
Which, if any, of these would you recommend?

halfway through vol 1 of lotr and so far it reads like YA fantasy, can I just skip to the silmarillion and unfinished tales for more depth and then continue with lotr?
is it really necessary to see the stuff referenced in lotr before reading about the history influencing the stuff in the silmarillion?

Why is it always recommended you read lotr/the hobbit before the works that show the history of the world before lotr takes place?

>>10074881
The Devil You Know is a semi-continuation to Blue and Gold, so not that. The Company is the only novel here (the rest are novellas). Personally the Company is a favourite of mine, but I know it is actually considered the worst of the standalones by many (go figure). From that basis, I would perhaps suggest Blue and Gold first, which I thought was more entertaining than Purple and Black.

Alternatively, you may want to try out some of his short stories, many of which are available for free on the net. Your choices are (as far I could research):

Essays:
Cutting Edge Technology
On Sieges
Rich Men's Skins; A Social History of Armour

Fiction:
A Small Price to Pay for Birdsong (WFA winner)
Amor Vincit Omnia
I Met a Man Who Wasn't There
Illuminated
Let Maps To Others (WFA winner)
The Sun and I
The Things We Do For Love

From this, I would suggest A Small Price to Pay for Birdsong. So either that or Blue and Gold, or if you really want to try a novel, go for the Company.

>>10074921
If you can't be assed to finish LotR you won't even get past the first chapter of the Silmarillion.

>>10074881
>>10074931
Also, I meant to include this (it's missing a couple).

>>10074718
I would suggest Dagon and The Shadow Over Innsmouth by H. P. Lovecraft.

>>10074921
The first half of the Fellowship is drastically different from the rest of the series. I beg you to continue reading. It gets better.

>>10074933
not that I can't be arsed I'm unemployed and not in education or training I have more than enough time I just feel as if I'd get more out of lotr if I actually knew a fair bit of history of the peoples and places I'm reading about

so explain why publication order > chronological order

>>10074921
>Why is it always recommended you read lotr/the hobbit before the works that show the history of the world before lotr takes place?
Because the recommendation is made thinking that the recipient is a YA who will grow along with the work instead of a mid-20s Millenial who is looking to fill the void in their personality with anything at all.
In a less biting tone, once the hobbits are clear of Tom Bombadil, and to a lesser extent Rivendell, the story proceeds on a less fanciful arc.

You could of course read the Silmarillion at will but it's dry and encyclopedic by comparison. Gandalf and the hobbits add a human dimension where the Silmarillion reads more like Norse mythology combined with Biblical genealogy.

>>10074931
I'll roll the dice with "The Company". I love "Clarges" after all, which is hardly a universal opinion. "Blue and Gold" will be my fallback position.
I'm not a big fan of short stories so I'll skip them for now.

Thank you for the thoughtful recommendations!

>>10074955
The main reason (from what I can gather)

Difficulty: The Hobbit<LoTR<Silmarillion

>>10074743
"five out of five tumescent shafts"
-the GRI review

>>10074968
No worries mate! Let me know how you liked it (or didn't) whenever you get around to it, please.

What's the deal with the Elric reading order? Some people read them in order of publishing, while some read by the world chronology, but others just seem to stick to reading the 1970's novels. Are each of the novels largely self contained, like Robert Howard's Conan stories? Or are more episodic with developing arcs and characters across the arcs?

I've an omnibus coming in the mail that collects stories in this order and I was wondering what to read first:

Elric of Melniboné (1972) The Fortress of the Pearl (1989) The Sailor on the Seas of Fate (1976) The Dreaming City (1961) While the Gods Laugh (1961) The Singing Citadel (1967)

>>10074977
>10/ loads of black semen
>the Consult weekly

hahahahahaha
nigga you'll find more "provocative themes and complex characters" in fucking Avatar The Last Airbender than most YA these days, fucking kek.
at least they have Sabriel in the bottom left

>>10075002
Book 1: Elric of Melnibone (1972)
Book 2: The Fortress of the Pearl (1989)
Book 3: The Sailor on the Seas of Fate (1976)
Book 4: The Weird of the White Wolf (1961)
Book 5: The Sleeping Sorceress (1970)
Book 6: The Revenge of the Rose (1991)
Book 7: The Bane of the Black Sword (1962)
Book 8: Stormbringer (1963)

so what's the deal with lord of light?

>>10074375
>If I had the wherewithal I would construct an SFFG-worthy meme
If I get my autism together I might see what I can do for you. I need to make some fresh memes anyways.

Any short stories or fantasy series that deal with a character being trained to be an assassin who can shapeshift?

>>10074702

>>10075082
You racist or something anon? What you got against the Indian pantheon?

>>10075395
>fantasy series that deal with a character being trained to be an assassin
Night Angel Trilogy
House of chains trilogy by will Wight

>short stories
Oh...

>Only a couple of days until Skysworn
Sweet

So, I know we're probably never going to see Peace Talks, but I think I've figured something out about the Dresden Files

I think Ferrovax is the Devil. Not a devil, not a fallen, not some satan parallel. I mean he's literally the devil

According to butcher, Ferrovax is supposed to be powrfull enough to curbstomp all six queens at once, and the queens are all literal avatars of Hecate. Ferrovax is stronger than a literal god, and supposedly that's just because he's a dragon, but I call bullshit on that because Michael killed a dragon on his own. Mind you, Michael was a knight of the cross at the time, but he could barely kill denarians in his prime. Either ferrovax isn't a mere dragon, or holy is 4x super effective against them. In either case that implies some kind of unholy power, and anyone want to guess what form satan is supposed to take during armageddon?

that's right, a fucking dragon. Checkmate Sanja

>>10075002
I don't know, but if you find a Moorcock reading order guide, link it here.

>>10074955
What the fuck is with this attitude?

>Reeeee I can't start this story if I don't know the etymology and family history of every single place name and character.

I forget how many people posting here are literally autistic, I guess. Go back to reading Sanderson and watching SoL anime.

>>10069944
>unaesthetic
Typical anti-FF brainlet making up words.

>start reading Book of the New Sun
>Terminus Est

Holy shit, this is that series that some Japanese writer liked so much that he used the name for one of his anime girls. She's a sword too. This must be damn good if even Japan has heard of it.

>>10072736
>>10072844
Oh please don't try and pretend that righties ever make funny jokes. You just like them because they're "your guys." You don't have a sense of humor, you just laugh at propaganda that aligns with your personal political views.

>isekai
>flawless hero who easily attains high social rank
>tsundere princess
>dominating a less advanced society with modern technology

Trade out the caveman stuff for a generic fantasy setting and have the lead marry several princesses instead of one and the Pellucidar series by Edgar Rice Burroughs would easily fit in with all the other isekai web novels getting turned into anime right now.

How did he write something so anime decades before anime would be a thing?

>>10071835
Still waiting for a name guyz

Alright so what is the go to GRI? I want something awesome pls

>>10075938
Eugenio Loboe

>>10075948
>Eugenio Loboe
Is this a meme? googled this shit and only got forum posts

>>10075949
It's Gene Wolfe anon

>>10075951
Oh, fuck how did I miss that, It's Lobo btw

>>10075954
Wolf-Wolfe, Lobo-Loboe

Don't be daft

>>10075869
Is Japan still in love with that stuff even after Konosuba and Re:Zero took the piss out of it?

>>10075956
Christ I've been useless all day

What job do you guys do?
How does it affect your ability to read sff novels?

>>10076079
>>10076079
Full time student and paperboy.
Drive around for 4 hours 365 days a year so I can consume a crazy amount of audiobooks

>>10076079
Programming intern. Doesn't affect me at all. I read the same amount as when I was a NEET. Really like this job because I'm surrounded by people who share my interests, and that includes SFF novels.

>>10076079
I work logistics management. I spend 50-60% of my work hours reading. No one cares as long as I do my job. I read about 2 books/week.

>>10073743
>lefty gets triggered again

>>10075821
I'll be honest, leftists are very funny. Their constantly failing regimes and retarded ideas provide me with much entertainment.

>>10074322
Out of curiosity, Donkposter, which of Vance's works are your favorite? Excuse me if you've been asked that already.

>>10076189
>>10076190
>being so triggered you have to pretend to be two different people
Okay.

Oh shit, a new Shard-vengers is coming out? I usually don't read genre fiction but Brandon Sanderson's stormlight series is the exception. The second book was just so perfectly bad that it makes for great entertainment.

>>10076079
Practical nurse. Doesn't affect my reading much at all, I might get some reading done if I'm on a night shift, but on morning/ daytime shifts there is no time for such tomfoolery.
I read about a book/ week.

>>10076206
No need to apologize; I thoroughly enjoy discussing Vance and have yet to find another fan in local meatspace to sperg out with.

It's truly a tough call. The Cugel books are Vance's humor at maximum density and that's probably my single favorite characteristic of his writing. The Cadwal series I consider his most thoughtful and well-rounded work. However if there is a counter ticking over somewhere, tracking my re-reads, "Clarges" is probably in the lead. It is lacking in deliciously understated humor but I find the story wonderfully engaging: perhaps because Waylock is so singleminded and self-possessed, willing to operate within convention when treated justly but remorseless when all else fails. Some of that last is because I watched "Platoon" tonight and my fresh impression is that ultimately, the individual decides justice; the system is an illusion.

Sorry, this post is longwinded, perhaps pretentious and still doesn't have what should be a simple answer. Gun-to-my-head? Cadwal. Hammer cocks back because that's three books, you rambling oaf? "Clarges".

What's yours? Oh and what led you to Vance?

>>10075815
Even the noble samurai recognize the mastery of the Wolfeman shokunin.

>>10076263
>Cadwal series
Fuck, I saw a first-edition hardcover of Araminta Station at a used book store a few months back but didn't buy it because I'm a retard. M-maybe it'll still be there when I go back that way?

>>10076340
Who is the woman in the SotL cover?

>>10076345
As Cugel would say, trust in Mandingo, the Three-Eyed Goddess of Luck.

>>10076358
Gotta be Granny Dorcas.

>>10076079
Lawyer
Definitely don't read as much as when I was a student, but still read a decent amount. It's probably increased the proportion of sff I read compared to other literature, as sff tends to require relatively little effort, and some days I get back from the office pretty drained.

>>10076079
Med student. Well I clearly can't read books around exam time but I work it in somehow.

>>10070543
The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms if you don't mind catching conjunctivitis, because you'll metaphorically be pouring shit into your eyes.

>>10076079
I do editing and proofing.
Took a lot of the fun out of reading for a long time.

Gradually starting to enjoy it again which is great.

>>10076209
How am I pretending?

>>10076079
Investment fund back office programmer.
I read on the way to and from work.

>>10075815
Which series?
I like sword waifus.

>>10072863
It's called an addiction and it makes you miserable, not happy. Fix your problems.

This is probably a question these generals get all the time, but how are the Witcher books generally perceived by the fantasy community? Normies seem to love them, but would my time be better spent with a different series if I'm a fan of the games?

>>10073338
Robot neckbeard: /sci/sffg edition.

>>10076627
If you're a fan of the games they're worth a look. I'm too much of a ~patrician~ myself to read them but the consensus is that they're OK at worst.

>>10073338
Robot neckbeard: /lit/sffg edition.

>>10076627
if you liked the games they are okay

>>10070690
He's also a pedophile, fyi

>>10075052
I don't know man, lactose intolerance can be a very triggering topic for some people.

Same question as >>10076627 (not him) but concerning Guild Wars 2 novels.

>>10076695
no idea but that sounds horrendous

>>10076411
She was blonde. Jolenta is dead by book 3. Agia?

>>10076712
One dude gave me a Warcraft book once. I humored him and read it. Holy shit, it was absolutely fucking horrific, like a Dune with the LotR plot, barely there characters(orc angry and brave, human curious and fearful, etc) and the prose... well it was fucking nothing. I don't agree with burning books as a principle but game novels task me. I'd probably feel the same way about fucking Star Wars books. And Snow Crash.

>>10076379
>Mandingo
That is a black pornstar known for his *cough* donkey dick....

>>10076616
>Investment fund back office programmer
is your job description the disappearing of people's money after they signed the dotted line?
are you the anon who always asks for economic fantasy?

>>10076079
Systems Administrator. Between that and my computer addiction sometimes my eyes are fried and I can't read. Been trying audio books, but I can't listen to anything I care about, so spy thrillers tend to work best. Irregardless, the lack of tolerable meatspace acquaintances gives me plenty of time to read (and that's how I like it).

>>10073154
Didn't her safehand got exposed after running half naked to the Conclave before confronting Jasnah about the soulcaster?

>>10076856
>is your job description the disappearing of people's money after they signed the dotted line?
Nah, I build systems that process spreadsheets. You're thinking of accountants.
>are you the anon who always asks for economic fantasy?
No, but everyone loves a little Spice and Wolf sometimes.

>>10075957
>Edgar Rice Burroughs
>Watch only 2 or 3 anime when the season finishes
>Check the recent uploads
>Isekai smartphone, isekai restaurant
welp.

>>10076880
>the lack of tolerable meatspace acquaintances
If you stretch it, everyone and everything has a meatspace

>>10077012
I don't understand.

>>10077015
Think

>>10076263

Thanks, mate. I love seeing someone so enthusiastic about an author. I'm the one who gushed about Cugel earlier, and I'm now adding the Cadwal Chronicles and Clarges to my list of to-buys.

What is /lit/'s thoughts on Senlin Ascends?

>>10076263

And to answer your question, even though it wasn't asked of me, I was led to Book of the New Sun by a comment Charls (of Million Dollar Extreme) made on a HydeWars YouTube video, gobbling up those books, and then coming here (had previously only posted on eightchan, which is pretty much a failed place post-election), and came here to discuss New Sun. I then asked in one of these Sci-fi general threads about recommendations of authors at the level of Wolfe and Vance was suggested. Perhaps it was even you ;) I don't think I've ever in my life laughed as much with a book as when reading Cugel's stories.

>>10076627
i've heard that a bit get's lost in translation. the author is considered to be an excellent writer in his native language. (polish i think)

>>10074743
>Ottomans on the cover
What did Abu-Bakker mean by this?

>>10070797
Big beautiful fence amirite?

>>10076604

I do this as well. It's never affected my enjoyment of reading, but I sure can't help but be triggered by all these mistakes one finds, even from the bigger publishing houses.

When the fuck is The Monster Baru Cormorant coming out? I just finished Traitor and I need my financial fantasy fix.

>>10077254
You can always buy the angry dinner plate cover

>>10076263
I was led to the Vance the way I suspect several people gave been: through Wolfe. Not just the Dying Earth inspiration, but the fact that Wolfe said The Dying Earth is his personal "Book of Gold". So, checking out a collection of Vance's short stories, I first read The Dragin Masters, and have been enamored ever since.

Right now I'm reading through the Durdane trilogy: just finished The Anome last night. Fairly good, though ironically I think it should be just a bit longer, feels like he's cramming a lot of world building into few pages.

How many MCs will be killed off before the end of the series?

>>10077308
Kelsier 2.0, definitely. He already got over hating lighteyes. He'll die fighting and defeating Stormlight's mid-boss equivalent.

>>10077308
literally all of them will be killed off physically. they'll all enter the cognitive or spiritual realm and find a way back to their bodies, or ascend as slivers/gods

>>10077308
>yfw every MC dies in book 5 and they spend the timeskip in between the two book arcs being fucked over by Odium offworld

>>10077232
It hurts.

How do I buy and use an ebook off amazon without a "device"?

>>10077426
If you go to your orders and click on it, on the right there should be a green read now button.

>>10077435
>there should be a green read now button.
But how does that work though? I just want this damn book in an epub or mobi file.

>>10077442
It looks like this in your browser, as far as I know there is no easy way to download kindle books as ePub.

>>10077497
There's no way to save it from my browser as an epub or mobi after I buy it? Thanks for the help by the way.

>>10077410
Or how about they end up in hell/damnation? The one from the prelude at the beginning of the first book.

>>10070830
>and anything having various religions conflict with each other
Check out "A Song for Arbonne", also by Guy Gavriel Kay.

>>10077516
That's Braize, it's where Odium's based (one planet out from Roshar)

>>10077514
You can download it through the kindle app for pc, but I don't think it's saved as either ePub or mobi. And no problem.

Help me out.

I'm looking for something noir/mystery/crime but also supernatural. Similar to Rivers of London but with less gay authorial politics-pushing, less comedy, and with a longer, more complex plot and better characters.

I'm asking here because trawling through """urban fantasy""" looking for something worth reading is making me want to kill myself.

>>10077676
Storm Front and A Madness of Angels

>>10077426
>>10077442
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283371

Download the Kindle 1.17 PC app from that link, then disable auto updates in the Options and login to your account. Select Download from the right-click menu on your book(s). This should dump it in .azw format in
>~/Users/"Username"/My Documents/My Kindle Content
(with path differing by Windows version).
The filename will be obscured: random_gibberish.azw.
Download and open Calibre, which is the must-have desktop ebook management app. Click Add Book, navigate to the My Kindle Content folder, select the book, and Calibre will import it sans sodomy.

>“We want a room,” said Corson, banging her fist on a table.
>A portly, well-dressed man approached, regarding them with disapproval. “Our rooms are all taken,” he said. “Perhaps down the street ....”
>Corson smiled. She opened the pouch at her belt and pulled out a few gold coins, tossing them in her palm. “A large room,” she continued. “The best you have.”
>The owner bowed. He classed Corson as a soldier fresh from a successful campaign. Nyctasia he dismissed as a penniless student whom the other had undoubtedly picked up for the night. Students as a class were notorious whores.
>He waved a servant over. “Show them the corner room upstairs. Lay on fresh bedding. Is there anything else you require?” he asked, turning back to Corson.
>“I want a bath,” Nyctasia put in. “Hot water, and plenty of it. And something clean to wear.”
>The innkeeper looked at Corson inquiringly.
>“It’s all right,” she said, with a sweeping gesture. “Get her anything she wants.” She grinned at Nyctasia, who suddenly flushed as she realized how things appeared. Swallowing her pride, she meekly followed Corson upstairs.
>Corson was delighted with the room. It was large and well-aired, with windows looking on the courtyard and the street. Tile bed was wide, with an oaken chest at its foot, and a table and two chairs stood at the hearth. There was even a sheepskin rug, Corson fell onto the bed and sank into the down mattresses, laughing.
>“Get your boots off the bed,” said Nyctasia.
>“A little more respect from you, slut. I’ll have you thrown into the street, where you belong, if you don’t behave.”
>Nyctasia sighed. “I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself.”
>Corson pulled off her boots and dug her toes into the rug. “I’ve always wanted to have my way in a grand place like this.”

>>10077252
>>10077289

That's interesting that you both were referred through Wolfe. It's certainly a more patrician path than my own which was through GRRM, of all things.

>>10076835
wheredoyouthinkweare.png

only a few dollars left, how do I spend them to feed myself?

>>10078127
Buy beans and rice

>>10078145
well I don't really need to spend for survival since beans and rice are exactly what I already have. I meant, how should I waste it on things that will make rice and beans tolerable

>>10078157
Spices I supposed, I couldn't tell you which cause I don't feed myself

>>10078157
Spices and mince meat, then make chilli con carne

>>10078169
Suppose*

>>10077863
Is this the new House Plants of Gor?

>>10078157
Very strong sauces.

I like satay and sweet and sour.

Cook it into the rice.

>>10076554
How much of the job is reading / organizing and how much is public speaking? I'm a student, interested in majoring in Law (that or Political Science) but I'm discouraged by my parents because I stutter /:

(I currently work retail)

Anybody write on the level of Erikson and Bakker? Looking for some new top tier fantasy.

Can I be a Millhouse?

>>10078412
idk, she doesn't quite strike me as a refined lady who spends her days reading tales of wonder, like sffg is filled with

>>10078441
Why would you say that?

>>10078454
I said a lot of things. specify

>>10078465
The part about her not being a refined lady.

>>10078483
well piers anthony says she's a barbarian. is he a liar?

Are there any high fantasy mysteries out there? I'm sick of urban fantasy, I want wizard sherlock holmes investigating the king's suspected demonic possession goddamnit!

I met Rudy Rocker today. If you don't know him, he was one of the founders of cyberpunk back in the day along with William Gibson and Bruce Sterling. Wrote "Software," the first book to explore the concept of uploading your consciousness to a machine.

Nice guy.

>>10078874
did you fuck?

>>10078658
All 3 Divine Cities books start out with a murder mystery, but they're more scenario kicker-offers than cores of the story.

>>10078900
No, but I bought a book on his recommendation.

I'm tired of chaste shit.
Recommend me something with plenty of non-conventional sex and relationships, /sffg/.

>>10078383
Garden of Stones: Echoes of Empire, Book 1

Reading this guy. Never seen him mentioned. I don't know if he is great, but he sure is different than plebtier trash...at least he is trying to do something interesting. I don't know yet if he succeeds.

>>10078495
Kinda. The swordswoman is mostly just a brutish mercenary, not a barbarian in the sense of Conan being a primal tribesman of the north.

>>10078964
And?

>>10078495
>>10079111
No point arguing about it boys, I've revised it.

>>10078964
What was it?

>>10076609
>>10076209
>>10076190
pol was a horrible mistake

>>10079247
t. reddit

The Elric omnibus I ordered came in today. Why is this noteworthy, I hear you ask. Well, it's bit bigger than the mass market paperback I was expecting: 15.5x23.5cm. This is a 1993 Millennium print, obviously a deluxe format judging by the size, and the pages still being a bright white colour beyond the tan edges; acid free paper, or a conscientious previous owner. Do fantasy and SF still publish in these dimensions? This relic won't even fit in my bookcase.

>>10079171
>>10079173
Walkaway, by Cory Doctorow. Haven't read it yet.

>>10079173
GRRM quote was a good idea. Does rehac mean wolf in some meme language?

>>10079396
>genre hack

>yfw

>>10079173
Are ye up to redoing it with a higher quality scan of the actual painting? This is probably the best of the images I've found

>>10079483
This was likely the scan that the cover was based on.

>>10079491
...and this was likely the raw scan. I couldn't find versions of 2 and 3 at this quality without a watermark.

>>10079483
>>10079491
>>10079504

Not sure how it would work at those aspect ratios, there not being many widescreen books. The bookcover idea is kinda out the window at that point. Maybe as a movie poster but that doesn't really fit the concept or the theme of the thread. Or did you mean crop a clean image down and then remake the macro?

Personally, I like the beat-up paperback look.

It's a cool painting. I'm not usually susceptible to flashy/trashy covers but I do like this one.

>>10079527
>Not sure how it would work at those aspect ratios, there not being many widescreen books.
I meant crop it to the portion used in the original cover of course :3
>Personally, I like the beat-up paperback look.
I thought you might, such is understandable.

>>10079532
If you want the same idea on a clean background, I'll give it a shot. I'm no Goebbels though so don't expect top-notch shoopage.

>>10079541
TIL photoshop was a top secret nazi project.

>>10079561
=D. I'm working on a V3 right now!
>propaganda (meme) master

>>10078874
The Ware series is pretty good, it gets crazier the further it goes along.

>>10077260
Oh god don't get me started.
Small indie pubs and self pubs, fine, I expect it. But how the fuck do the big houses manage to fuck up on proofreading so often. Not like they can't afford to get it checked.

>>10079593
I bought that in the form of one big book and got him to sign it, actually.

>>10079041
Is there an exclusive GRI chart yet? We should probably have that.

>>10079838
gib pls

New thread: >>10080195
New thread: >>10080195
New thread: >>10080195

>>10079173
>boys
no