/lit/ - Literature

>>10071085
yeah

>>10071085
>Has there been a more idiotic and damaging human being in our history?
Your mom

But, in all seriousness, Why not make your argument against him and promote discussion rather than just posting bait?

This is what /lit/ is about? Trying to look intelectual in front of your friends?

>>10071095
>Why not make your argument against him and promote discussion rather than just posting bait?
He was the Sam Harris of his age

>>10071100

>>10071085
yes

Overrated twat

>>10071095
Utilitarianism is superficial because it solely looks at pleasure and pain without examining any deeper into them, is inherently based on dumbness and hedonistic, animalistic impulse, etc. etc. It reduced life and "morality" to a rigid system created by autistic whelps like Bentham, applies universal moral traits to varying strata of society which would alternately thrive or perish based upon said universal traits, etc. etc.

Utilitarianism has been refuted enough times, I just wanted to make a shitpost, am I allowed to do that anymore?

>>10071085
Marx

>no one posted this retarded autiste yet

>>10071216
>>10071085
these are legit dumb philosophers
>>10071093
damaging but not dumb

>>10071325
Stirner one up'd Hegel though

Leibniz

>>10071695
Leibniz was smart as fuck and far from damaging to philosophy

But his ideas were hilariously fucking weird

Same with everyone else in the early modern rationalist camp

Marx

>>10071705
>Leibniz was smart as fuck

most retarded comment of today goes to

All philosophers r dum

>>10071768
*invents calculus*
*creates the basis for linear algebra*
*creates formal logic*
*formalizes equations describing energy*
*invents mechanical computers*
*analyzes the relationship between necessity and contingency*
*anticipates modal logic*
no need to thank me, kid

>>10071783
It's incredibly obvious how superficial your knowledge of those subjects is

>>10071695

>>10071783
>steals all his ideas from Newton
nothin personel kid

Aristotle was the most damaging by far.

>>10071783
>skims his wikipedia page

you sure showed me

>>10071790
no you

>>10071815
Plato was far worse

>>10071825
only because autismos took Republic at face value; Timaeus is one of the most liberating tracts ever written. Aristotle was a much bigger influence on Scholasticism than Plato and therefore on post-Roman western phil as a whole.

Nietzsche isn't as bad as his fans, though

>>10071085
>Dumb philosophers
All philosophers

>>10071846
>>10071815
Weren't they pretty much unknown in the west until a resurgence in popularity during the Renaissance?

>>10071855
No, Aristotle was very influential to medieval Christian thought, and the Renaissance could be partly attributed to previously lost Aristotle being translated into western languages from Arabic sources.

>>10071855
from what I gather Plato seems to have been an unimportant figure, whereas Neoplatonism was influential, although to a lesser degree than Aristotle.

Woah boy I needed this thread because of how angry these philosophers get me, I need to get this out

Marx, Heidegger (for his postmodernism influence (think Sartre, Derrida), Foucault, Zizek, Deleuze (probably the dumbest of the bunch), Plato, Aquinas (Bunch of mental gymnastics), Kant, Spinoza (yeah I went there), Jesus, Confusious and Buddha (damn life deniers), the Stoics (same reason as last two, Aristotle (kicked a beehive of cancerous though), Hegel (made process but failed to consider the individual), Stirner (too focused on the individual/not enough on the grand picture unless I am misunderstanding him), Nietzsche (too uppity), Wittgenstein (too dry, doesn't say anything profound enough to change society), Hume, Kirkegaard, Analytic philosophy, Structuralists and post-structuralists, Descartes, Marx (Diagnosing the problem is always easy, he never gave a decent alternative), Hobbes, Hume.

What a ridiculous thread.

Who is worth their salt, then, /lit/?

>>10071927
And yeah I meant to put Marx twice, fuck him desu

I'm out of here

>>10071927
Why did you mention hume twice?

>>10071927
so basically you're a libertine and just really, really like Rousseau?

>>10071941
nah he read the wiki article on Nietzsche once

>>10071938
just to be sure I got him

>>10071941
No, where did you get that?

>>10071943
I included Nietzsche

>>10071927
>nothin personnel... kid....

Maybe Schopenhauer for influencing him but this guy. Schopenhauer and depression is a dangerous mix

>>10071946
you hate everyone else, or at least someone associated with every other major tradition as far as I can see. You bashed Plato, Aristotle, Stoics, Jesus, Scholastics, Kant, Hegel, analytics, and post-modernism so there's not much leftover, especially in terms of writers who deal with "society".

unless you've exempted Locke/Bentham/Mill from the above list somehow, I'm not sure who else there really is to like. Spengler? Weber? None of those 20th C. guys are really philosophers.

>>10071975
Not him, but fuck Plato and fuck Aristotle.

>>10071927
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

>>10071783
He had boobs on his head. Boobs = 100% fat tissue. Brain = behaves like muscle. Leibniz embodied is Honey Boo Boo's mom while Plato is Arnold Blacknigger.

>>10071975
I think for myself. I am my own favourite philosopher. I use these dweebs as stepping stones to a higher reality. No single one get things right but they all pitch ideas which can be worked upon.

>>10071946
No matter how many times you type Hume into your list, you could never be quite sure you had included him. Interesting

>>10071962
Billy Loomis?

>>10071802
You got it the wrong way round my man.

>>10071931
Anybody who thinks like me.

>>10072074
This is the best argument I've ever read.

>>10072079
Go to bed Deleuze.

>>10071136
There is nothing deeper than them, they're fundamental concepts

>utilitarianism has been refuted enough times
Lel, post even one comprehensive refutation

>>10071325
>t. Spooked idiot, probably a deontologist or something

>>10072163
There's no way to know how many times Hume should be included from.how many times he is included

>>10071085
Kant the Destroyer

>>10072509
>Lel, post even one comprehensive refutation

Not him, but Robert Nozick completely annihilates utilitarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_monster

>>10072553
>it's wrong because I don't like it

>>10072558
You asked for a comprehensive refutation and I gave you one fagtron. There are several others too.

>>10072560
A refutation proves something wrong. Pointing out that something has an implication you're uncomfortable with isn't a refutation.

>>10072553
>dude however much utility something has to someone is however much they say it has, it's not like you can measure relative pleasure and pain with MRIs

>dude masses people being subjugated definitely wouldn't derive collective utility from modifying or destroying the utility monster that surpasses the utility the monster gains from taking resources

>>10072514
>>10072514
And there's no way of proving a connection between him including Hume on the list and Hume appearing on the list.

>>10072574
The implication isn't "uncomfortable" you fucking moron. The implication is that utilitarianism doesn't produce the consequences that itself claims.

Which IS a refutation. Sperg.

>>10071085

>>10072628
t. embryo

>>10072610
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>10072648
Learn to read fag.

>>10072700
Not him but, jesus fuck there are too many autodictats on lit, you're an idiot.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, philosophy should be reserved for university students that have already gotten at least an A* in Real Analysis.

What consequences are you talking about that AREN'T produced? The utility monster's whole deal is that the implication is uncomfortable.

>>10072725
The utilitarian maxim is LITERALLY "The greatest good for the greatest number of people".

The utility monster refutes the central maxim of utilitarianism.

Retard.

>>10072509
>le spooks
>t. literal autism spectrum subhuman with a malformed brain

Why does every utilitarian online seem to have a sub-80 iq

>>10071925
>Plato was an unimportant figure
>Neoplatonists were important figures
>Neoplatonists were inspired by Plato
>Neoplatonists were less important than Aristotle
>Plato was Aristotle's teacher
Tell me again how Plato is unimportant? Even by your logic it doesn't add up.

>>10071927
based

>>10071927
>Stoics
Retard. Straying from Stoicism is what kills every successful civilization.

Rousseau is absolutely bottom-barrel-tier, btw.

>>10073091
stoicism is historically a reaction to the decline of a civilization, not the cause

>>10073102
>stoicism is historically a reaction to the decline of a civilization
Which supports that following stoic principles by a populace will prevent said decline.

>>10071815
Bullshit, he was only damaging because retards went "hurr durr Aristotle examined everything, we don't ever need to check or expand upon it" for a millennia.

Can't believe no one has posted Peter Singer yet.

>>10073086
i meant that Plato himself wasn't studied much. Neoplatonism probably only survived because of Augustine. Aristotle might have been a student of Plato but their ideas are worlds apart. Plato was a huge influence on philosophy as a whole yeah but the West kind of took Aristotle's ideas and ran with them.

>>10071164
This right here

I'm convinced Rousseau what nothing short of a total fucking idiot.

What a fag

>>10073086
>>Plato was Aristotle's teacher
Well yeah, I guess that makes him important in the same sense that Aristotle's parents were important.

>>10071941
Speaking of him, his ideas are pretty retarded

>>10073384
>Which supports that following stoic principles by a populace will prevent said decline.

I like stoicism, but no it fucking doesn't. Most people's reaction to being set on fire is to flail around like idiots, doesn't mean it prevents them being burned to a crisp. Is there any evidence of a society being saved by stoicism.

>>10073618
>Is there any evidence of a society being saved by stoicism.
There's certainly evidence of the inverse.

>>10071783
>creates formal logic
what did he mean by this?

>>10071085
literally a sub 80 iq retard

>>10072748
Not him, but it obviously doesn't because were such a monster to exist and be supported by utilitarianism, it's actions would lead to the greatest good, but only for itself. But, it's a shit concept, see
>>10072576


>>10072887
>if I say le then the concept doesn't btfo my ideology

>>10073406
He is the greatest, or at the very least most interesting moral philosopher alive. Sorry if he hurts your feefees

>>10074313
>Dude don't eat animals

Not interesting in the slightest

>>10074341
Damn anon, you really got him with that #SingerStinger

>>10072483
genuinely asking, where did this meme come from? as far as I know there's only (circumstantial) evidence in favor of 'L stole from N', not vice versa (although its probable they independently came up with it)

>>10071927
>Stoics
>life-denying

>>10074170
DELET THIS

>>10074393
Explain how they aren't

>>10071768
Have you read his Discourse on Metaphysics; do you understand calculus? Stop talking out your ass kid. Maybe look into why Kurt Godel, one of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th, respected Leibniz so much

>>10074469
Maths is an ultimately useless human invention

>>10074170
pmt

The only big thing he did was that paradox. The thing is, he thought pretty much nothing of it and it wasn't a huge problem as he formalized it. It's only when Frege himself redid the whole thing that it became such a big issue.

>>10074501
man you 4chan contrarians come up with some good shit

>>10074501
Lol, that's some pungent bait

Seriously though, Socrates has managed to chap my ass on many an occasion. His work conjures feels of violence.

>>10075475
Name me the last time Math has improved your life

>>10075534
Typing this comment to you gave meme pleasure, all thanks to math

>>10075534
last time i went to the store

Sigmund Freud
why has no-one mentioned him yet, this thread was made to post him in

>>10075534
Giving me an extemely fulfilling and well-earning career?
Letting me drive and fly in planes?
The internet?
Kill yourself

>>10075560
This. I recommend everyone here watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

it will open your mind up to what damage he caused

>>10075560
because he wasn't a philosopher?

>>10075576
You feel that your life is complete because you have the internet? Because planes exist. Ok dude

>>10075534
When I counted out the 3 dollars I owed your mum for tonguing my ass.

>>10075576
you on the left

>>10075589
go back to /sci/

>>10075587
>your life is complete
no i feel it's improved by these things.
For a literature board a lot of people here seem to have issues with reading comprehension
>>10075590
>arguing with meme pics
Wow! Sweet!

>>10075590
analytic philosophy is just the cleaning up of messy continental diarrhea. Example: Chomsky is an analytic Foucault. There isn't anything that a continental can do that analytics can't, there are a million things that analytics can do that continentals can't.

>>10075604
This. Can we please IP ban continentals already.

Utilitarianism really rattles philistines. Why?

>>10075644
People hate the truth

Do as I say not as I do, the philosopher.

>>10075644
Because "useful" is so relative and so situational it might as well be Machiavellism.

>>10075604
it's the opposite way around.
Wittgenstein actually showed this without realizing it

>>10074310
>>if I say le then the concept doesn't btfo my ideology
No, it just being from the genetically malformed brain of an autistic subhuman sack of waste is enough for me. It being objectively wrong even on its own premises works too, though.

>>10074467
Explain how they fucking are first, since you made the shitty argument to begin with.

>>10076102
Please explain how it's wrong in its own premises

>>10075644
People governed by their emotions don't want to stop being governed by them

>>10075731
He lived exactly as he preached. He just got insane halfway.

>>10073721
I'm waiting.

>tfw existentialism is the "No shit, Sherlock" of philosophy

>Kill your friend if it makes you two neighbors happy. It's completely okay and moral to do this

>>10075731
t. i dont know how nietzsche lived and died

>>10071927
This is so bad. It's like you listed all philosophers you knew and just took the first argument against your wikipedia-level understanding of their thought that crossed your mind. I'm not even saying I've read them all. "Too dry" is not a very strong philosophical argument. "It's postmodern so it's bad" isn't either. I hope this is bait.

>>10077086
Why would the two derive utility from his death surpassing that of the victim?

>>10078342
Why wouldn't they? Maybe they really hate the guy.

>>10078346
Then it's probably a good idea to kill the guy

>>10078348
t. utilitarian

>>10078356
>dude who cares if it's clearly the logical and justified option, what about my feelings lmao

>>10078362

>>10071164
if you spent less time pretending to know stuff and more time actually learning stuff you'd be way less of an insufferable sack of aids blood

>>10078399
>You only think Marx is dumb because you never really learned what he was saying
Why does every Marxist apologist make this same argument?

>>10078418
Because Marx critics keep proving it right.

>>10078399
>>10078420
Have you read Baudrillard's The Mirror of Production yet?

>>10078450
Marx has flaws but he's not dumber than Baudrillard.

>>10078543
He's certainly dumber than Baudrillard and infinitely more damaging. I can't think of anyone more damaging than Marx has been, maybe Hegel but only because Hegel directly lead to Marx.

>>10078579
>>10078543
Marx isn't dumber than Baud, he's just way more autistic and short-sighted, but that was a precondition for his greatness.

>>10071927
>>10071933

>/tv/ fag

argument discarded

>>10076653
>>10077540
>dude love life lmao
>proceeds to talk shit about everyone (save Muslims)

>>10071164
goddim

>>10071927
wrong.gif

Some of these posts obviously were put thought into, Well done OP's.

What do you guys think of this man?

>>10078362
utilitarianism is the feels > reals ethical system

>>10071085
>Rousseau
>Hume
>Marx
>Derrida(pretty much whole postmodernism)
>analytic """""""""""""""""""""""philosophy"""""""""""""""""""""""

>>10071815
>>10071825

>t. Karle Popper and George Soros

FUCK OFF SHILLS

>>10079139
Soros is a fine man. fuck off /pol/

>>10073091
>>10073384
>>10073721
>Lack of emotion and reaction to anything is what will save civilization

t. Stoicist

>>10071085
Salve, frater.

>>10079122
>Hume
DELET THIS

>>10079286
Not him but the only reason Hume isn't generally considered a fucking moron is that he's Scottish
Brits will rally around and praise this dumb fuck until the sea finally swallows their shitty island

>>10078822
An ill-witted traitor

>>10079300
what did he mean by this

>>10079113
Clearly wrong, that's obviously virtue ethics, with maybe deontology after it

>>10078380
>baiting this terribly

>>10071085

Hegal provided a basis for Marxism.

:/

>>10073587
Fight me, bro