/lit/ - Literature

>>10039837
>fishposting

>>10039837
Yes, it's a travesty, /lit/ used to be good. I blame Peterson for convincing some of the /pol/ crowd that they're all literary n' shit.

>>10039837
>>10039856
>samefaggotry

>>10039858
You sure about that?

>>10039858
Nope

>>10039858
nuh uh

>>10039858
Nah

>>10039888

>>10039837
>zła_ryba.png

wypierdalaj na wykop kmiotku

>>10039856
This, fuck the niggers at /pol/.
They should fuck off to /his/ and let me discuss books withou the
>AUTHOR IS A JEW
>ASIANS CAN'T WRITE
>IS PETERSON X
>ÜBERMEMSCH IS A GERMAN WORD USED BY NEETCHAN LIT

>>10039856
it started long before Peterson but he certainly exacerbated it

>>10039897
Ale morde zamknij

>>10039837
You just did it yourself, you fucking hypocrite.

>>10039923
This is a metathread, idiot

>>10039858
Nah. Kill yourself.

>/litpol/ - Like /pol/ but we pretend to read books.

>>10039837
Oh no there are people here who arent windowlicking liberals!!! Why cantnypu guys be more like reddit??? Waah waah goo goo

>>10039837
If anything this place has too many underageb& virgin leftist who lionize retards like zizek

>>10040000
>>10040007
Fancy a winter getaway?

>>10040000
>only 2 political views and, analogically, 2 parties
Kill yourself, I beg you, Sir.

>/lit/ used to be good back when it was just a liberal echo chamber
New /lit/ > old /lit/

>>10039856
Why is it that people feel like they have a valid opinion in literature and continental philosophy without even reading a book, I don't see a similar crowd to peterson's fanbase in STEM fields or analytic philosophy

>>10039842

>can't even pronounce it correctly

>>10039837
At least it's not like the fucking piece of shit that is /tv/. I want a board to discuss real cinema, not a place full of marvel shit and big brother viewers.

>>10040272
International forums are the worst because of timelines.
Go to some less known chan and discuss at night.

>>10040272
>he wants to discuss movies

we've got ourselves an intellectual

>>10040280
timezones* lol

>>10039837
>no YA
>no genre fiction
>the only remains of old school forums
>only place on internet where genuine literature is at least mentioned
>only place in the world where genuine literature is at least mentioned
>/mu/tizens come and ask for a classical music advice

>>10040084
at least old /lit/ actually discussed literature like it was intended

>>10040394
>only place in the world where genuine literature is at least mentioned
Higher education
>only place on internet where genuine literature is at least mentioned
Canvas/Blackboard

>>10040252
Math and science are more intimidating to stupid people. They will openly admit to "not being able to do math" but everyone can read making literature seem more accessible. Even though they can only read at about the same level they can do math at.

>>10040280
Please do find me a single fucking chan with Balkan timeline which discusses in English.

>>10043018
OK I also used timeline, this is a kek.

>>10043018
Hello Krleza

>>10039837
It's the chillruns, friend.

>>10040297
That's why he reads Plato

>>10040252
>I don't see a similar crowd to peterson's fanbase in STEM fields
that's pretty much new atheism in a nutshell

>>10043195
i thought the science meme died in 2016 when the post-ideological world ended?

empty political ideologies like atheism and science don't fly anymore on 2016+1

>>10043199
that would be great but there are still many people with that silly mindset

>/pol/ shows up ranting about zionism and jews
>people rip him a new asshole by logic and facts
>ignores the arguments and winds his idiocy up again

At some point mods need to realize it is becoming outright spam

>>10043207
i think that's not sustainable anymore. most of those communities are fragmenting and openly embracing their actual ideological frame, as now labeling mainstream politics as "common sense" or "logic" doesn't work anymore

for example Sam Harris had to purge at some point all his trump followers and had to define himself as a mainstream democrat with some quirky opinions about islam. now he has the issue that many of the followers that remain fell for the multicultural meme and get mad when he speaks with Douglas Murray.

it'll be interesting to see how much longer he can play "the rational man" meme while retaining an audience

>>10040084
>/lit/
>liberal

>>10040084
except /lit/ was always a catholic board

>>10040084
Old /lit/ consisted of more leftists (especially anarchists) than liberals, and it was much better than new /lit/. You /pol/sters don't care much for reading, I've noticed.

we need to bring back reading for porn; i see what you're saying mr fish.

gide once said that 'Fish die belly upward, and rise to the surface. It's their way of falling.' you should think about that as i bump you, mr fish, because i know you killed a thread for this and haven't read the counterfeiters.

>>10043277
You leftists don't like being disagreed with , I've noticed.

>>10043277
anarchism is a meme, empty ideology. at least communists have a concrete (and empirically genocidal and wrong) path to the utopia

>he doesn't realize memes are the new literature

>>10043286
well he got dubs so it would be rude to argue anyway

>>10043225
>>10043277
This.

>>10043241
Harris got viciously attacked for daring to have a podcast discussing the taboo of IQ differences across races. That was Episode 73 of the Waking Up podcast with Charles Murray as guest. He then talked about the irrational reaction to it in the beginning of Episode 77 and also touched on the subject with his guest Siddhartha Mukherjee in that episode.

>>10043289
>path to the utopia
>path to utopia
>utopia
learn greek, you fucking nigger.

>>10043286
not and agrumend

>>10043286
Does anyone?

>>10043289
>It's a tankie vs anarkiddie thread
Neat. But you're both still niggers

>>10043316
I do. It always opens up new paths of discovery.

>>10043317
>German fascist thinks his culture was peak fascism
nigger pls

>>10043326
>Italian """"Stallion""""
Still better than Anglos

>>10043297
yes, that's just Harris autism showing, which he does from time to time, i don't think he knew what he was doing. it is clear why the mainstream consensus was that there's no benefit to discussing IQ differences between the races, and the reason was not that it was "bogus science", like everybody like to pretend and jerk-off to Stephen Jay Gould "crushing" Murray.

though it was the left who opened the can of worms when they started to push for equality of outcome, and cry "oppression" every time a difference of % occurs anywhere. that's going to ruin the fine balance that kept that consensus...

>>10043347
>correlation between IQ and race

What a fucking twit.

>>10043297
The controversy was about the fact that he discussed it with Charles Murray in particular, notorious racist charlatan. There are many acceptable ways to discuss these topics, doing so with a budding KKK member is not one of them.

>>10043388
>There are many acceptable ways to discuss these topics
No, there aren't.

>>10043326

fascism isn't race-based. nazism wasn't fascism, it just looks a lot like it because both movements were totalitarian in nature.

>>10043428
And because nazism splintered away from fascism. And fascism is chauvinistic, so racist too. Just not antisemitic.

>>10043411
Do you think that no academic in the US is studying these topics? How dense are you?

Sam Harris could have been a serious person by inviting an actual expert, and discuss with him about the current understanding of IQ, race and heritability. These are not loaded arguments, they can be approached rationally, without having to imply every 2 seconds that you are not advocating for the segregation of black people. This goes all out of the window if the guy you have invited is Charles "That cross! burn it!" Murray.

>>10043199
>in 2016 when the post-ideological world ended?
Fuck man, I didn't get the memo, what happened?

>>10043434
Yes, it is possible to study such topics in academia at least to some degree. For Sam Harris to have a podcast about it is not possibe without a backlash, no matter what. Has there ever been such a podcast by someone else prominent? Because if not, then the argument you can have such a podcast without a backlash is wishful thinking. A lot of people in academia would not want to participate in a public discussion in fear of being branded racists or bigots. Don't forget the backlash against the podcast with Murray was intellectually dishonest and the flagship article of the backlash wilfully ignored things that were said on the podcast. So the backlash was anything but reasonable.

Your own argument against Murray is an ad hominem. Maybe he is a "notorious racist charlatan" and "budding KKK member" like you claim, I wouldn't know, but surely you should be able to mount a more convincing argument against him based on what he said on the podcast or has written. If not, your argument must be very weak.

Thanks for being gratuitously insulting for no reason though.

>>10043090
?

>>10039842
fucking lel

>>10043433
>Fascism isn't anti-semitic
In many ways it is. Even the Lehi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
would be considered anti-semites by Jews for having been fascists. Fascism does not condone the absolute majority of Jews regardless of if it's Nazism or not.

>>10043442
in 2008 the neoliberal "common-sense" narrative collapsed, people took a while to realize it

well it collapsed a few more times, like after the Iraq war, and it's mock repetition in Libya. the multicultural meme also collapsed once people realized that you can't import 30 year old guys with hairy balls and brainwash them into democratic, tolerant citizens by giving them a 10 hour language course.

it's a collection of events that crushed the Fukuyama dream of the end of history

>>10043469
>Your own argument against Murray is an ad hominem.
A Southern racist (and his rscism is well documented) writes am unscientific best seller book that argue for the inherent inferiority of other races through faulty usage of statistics and a childish understanding of hereditability, which on the other was a misunderstanding of completely obsolete notions about genetics. Decades later he still tries to cash in with internet celebrities.
Also keep glossing over the fact that Sma Harris could have invited literally anyone else and there would have been no major backlash. You say that academics kight not want to talk with you: I say that when your audiences counts millions of people you'll always find an expert willing to educate his listeners about our current understanding of these topics. But no, they would have blamed him anyway, so let's invite the racist guy with no training whatsoever in any STEM field (Murray is a political scientist), whose works have been debunked for decades now.
And let's also pretend that 2+2 equals 5.

>>10043501
Up next: the Armenian Genocide, with guest Tayip Recep Erdogan.
Later: transgender issues in our new technological era with a phone interview by a very special guest: Ted Kaczynski

>>10039856
Pinocchiiiiooooo maaaannn

>>10043501
Well, I'd still love to hear an argument against what was said on that podcast rather than a personal attack on Murray. That the whole backlash was about the person implies there was no argument (aside from the intellectually dishonest one that Harris addressed).

I do believe Sam Harris has in fact read Murray's work, and certainly the more (in)famous one(s), and it seems highly unlikely he would've had Murray on his podcast if he in fact found corroboration for the progressive groupthink that Murray's work is biased and racist and bigoted. I haven't read The Bell Curve myself, but I trust Harris's conception of the content more than I would trust what progressives say based on what other progressives say based on a knee-jerk response to a taboo violation that seems to be fundamental to criticism of said book. (Which is not to say the book's content is beyond criticism of course.) After all, Sam Harris is hardly a Nuh-Tzee himself, and although I disagree with him on some things, I do trust his gran autismo on this topic.

>>10043629
You have no idea how the world works cocksucker. Why the fuck would you have a science illiterate racist on a discussion on racism? Why would you have fucking Arafat on a panel about the Judaic religion? Or Castro on one about American foreign policy? Do you get it?

>>10043642
You sure sound like a social progressive. Full of hate and incapable of calm rational discussion. Into the trash you go.

>>10043646
hi where are the argumend

>>10043646
>social progressive
>full of hate
...?

>he says defending a KKK tier illiterate actual racist
Top kek

>>10043661
Yes, you've made many ad hominem attacks on Murray and now reflect those ad hominems against me as well. Repeating such attacks over and again doesn't turn them into a rational argument. Your use of hateful language is consistent, and that's something you might want to consider when you're lying awake in your bed before falling asleep.

>>10043642
posts like yours won't stand any chance once autism goes into overdrive, that's why the progressive takeover of Silicon Valley won't last, too many autists like James Damore to keep up appearances for a long time

you leftists messed up when you started the equality of outcome meme instead of the sustainable "pretending" that went on before. it won't last now.

>hey man that asshole is a self declared racist
>having him on a panel about races is dumb
>LEL AD HOMINEM REEE
>FUCK YOU YOU HATEFUL PIECE OF SHIT LIBRUL REEEEEEE

>>10043688
You don't know how fallacies work. If we're talking about an individual, remarks and criticism are not ad hominem attacks: they're the fucking point of the discussion.
It's as if we were talking about nature and you, like the cocksucker you are, kept interrupting me by saying "APPEAL TO NATURE APPEAL TO NATURE APPEAL TO NATURE".

>>10043746
Nope. All your arguments were ad hominem attacks with zero substance. Just different ways of calling someone a racist. Nothing else. Your attempts at discussion in general are so completely driven by emotion it is somewhat humorous to see you trying to lecture me about fallacies. For your sake I hope you're still a kid.

>>10043759
He is a racist, he has no qualification to talk about IQ, race and heritability and his main work has been debunked decades ago.
Now tell me: why would you invite this person to talk about race, IQ and genetics? Why him and not a random guy from a bar?

>>10043704
Just an anon passing by:
Are you saying we should just ban people who have unpleasant views on the world completely from speaking? Just lock them out of discussion? Or was this just about the particular case talked about in this thread.
Why not take him to the panel? If his arguments are flawed, shouldn't you be able to show why they are flawed? I don't understand why you would want your ideological enemy not to talk. If you have a platform, you have the same power as him, you have the power to show why he is wrong about his views. You should be able to show everyone that the emperor has no clothes.

>>10043768
Murray's work has not been debunked and his ideas are extremely mild. You should stop flinging the fake word "racist" around like it means something, accept that you are the intolerant dunce witch-hunter of this day, and then try to change your behavior. But I know you won't. I just hope you aren't white. Whites shouldn't be this stupid in the present environment.

>>10043787
No one has talked about banning, you are just trying to legitimize any possible criticism, even the valid ones. After all, criticism is integral part of free speech.

>If his arguments are flawed, shouldn't you be able to show why they are flawed?
Because Harris is not a geneticist nor a psychologist, therefore he can't possibly assess wether the technical informations he's roesented with are true or false. If you are going to invite amateurs (again, Murray is NOT a scientist) have the decency to invite an expert so that he can stop him from blatantly lie, either directly or by omission, to the public. You don't "debate" biology.

Regardless, what did Sam Harris do? Fuxking nothing: he gave a platform to this reprehensible character, talked with him gracefully for hours and 2 weeks later he disavowed him after he "discovered" what kind of loon he invited on his show.
So there it is: your ideal scenario does not even apply to what actually happened.

>>10040280
>implying basement dwellers care about timezones

>>10043799
Not him, but Wikipedia says that The Bell Curve has been debunked in 1996 by APA.

>>10039837
Just report them when you see them. They tried last year to take over, but people report. The users of lit this year seems to be lazy as fuck who can't take some time to report

>>10043826
What part? It's a massive book based on statistics. The statement doesn't make sense. Anything claiming something in it was "debunked" probably means that X changed slightly after further testing, which is not grounds for "debunking." We live in the fake age of equality and talking about racial difference is heretical and taboo because brainwashed utopians are under the absurd delusion that they're going to undo thousands of years of evolutionary conditioning. It's total insanity devoid of reason.

>>10043817
>implying /lit/ users care about metaphysics and timelines

>>10043808
>later he disavowed him after he "discovered" what kind of loon he invited on his show.
When did he "disavow" Murray?
Definitely not on episode 75:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99w6EH1rP9o
nor episode 77 (relevant part from 10:45 onward):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-8wthSGy0

I'm one of those ''/pol/'' guys and I bet I've read more books this year than any of you.

>>10043937
Did you mistake infographics for books?

>>10043428
fascism is state based. has been since roman stoicism.

>>10043937

Klansman multiracial pegging dojinshi with optional himmler tentacle choose your own adventure novelettes don't count

>>10043937

>>10039856
I know for a fact most of the people posting shit like this were /pol/tards and most are relatively new to /lit/.

>>10043704
>racist ideas are necessarily factually wrong because I don't like the political implications of them being right
Truly a free thinker

/pol/ and redpill e-celebs totally ruined /lit/ although it's obvious all the threads about peterson, land, etc. are from viral marketers so the mods could do us a favor and just ban the fucks, or continue to lose long time litists

>>10040000
There's a difference between a conservative and a guy shilling his Jewish conspiracy book constantly

>>10043646
>incapable of calm rational discussion.

Hmm yes indeed not an argument try to be rational like me nice appeal to emotion come back later when you calm down

>>10044499

Hear hear

>>10039856
>lit used to be good
no

>>10042348
no it didnt

>>10043855
>he thinks the report button does anything.
the mods just put it there to make redditors like you feel better, haven't you seen the IRC log?

>>10044669
>>10044671
Pic or Hypersphere couldn't be made now. It would just be "the Joos!" throughout.

>>10044694
Sorry, missed pic.

>>10044698
>>10044694
TLoTIaT was /b/ tier garbage, everything after that was redditors from r/4chan who came for the
>4chan gamergate writes a book about memes lel

if you disagree you out yourself as both a newfag and underage.

>>10044499
>or continue to lose long time litists
>implying anyone leaves
>implying mods give a shit about board culture
>implying you're not new af

>>10044717
>if you disagree ur a [enter generic bad name]
Well, why have you stuck around, gramps? Are you some sort of masochist?

>>10044734
I'm here because someone needs to remind the mods who is in charge and I like to force memes and argue with high school dilettantes. It is a place to come to blow off steam when reddit is slow.

>>10044751
>I'm here because someone needs to remind the mods who is in charge
What did he mean by this?

>>10039856
4chan in general has taken a massive decline since the election because /pol/'s population exploded and then the wave of fascist newfags started spilling out into other boards at an unprecedented rate once it was over.

It's literally what /pol/ says happens when low-income urban populations boom then inner city crime and overcrowding gets out of control so they start going elsewhere and bringing crime with them.

Basically they have to go back.

It's not worth discussing anymore. 4chan sucks and one extra meta thread isn't going to change anything.

>>10044761
>fascist newfags
Don't forget the communist newfags. Like you.

Now go back

>>10044801
>4chan sucks
I know, all these meta threads doing nothing but complaining about having to talk to new people.

>>10044967
>all these meta threads doing nothing but complaining about having to talk to new people
It's not really a discussion when the other party simply says, "x is a Jew so what do you expect/he's brainwashed you/he's for destroying Western Civilization/etc."

Perhaps you ought to read some of these threads?

>>10044992
it's probably a jew false flagging, i remember the dudes who made some "jews did 9/11" website from irc and they were all jewish, it wasn't part of some tricky plot to do ... something, they just thought it was funny, well, calling anything and everything a jew gets old fast.

>>10045010
/lit/ isn't for you, kiddo.

>>10044992
>Dude it's impossible that people are intellectually dishonest due to ethnic conflict, like when in history has that ever happened?

>>10044992
Well if you have a problem with it, talk to them about it. Its as simple as that

>>10045039
Wew lad, that's some interpretation you've got there. Any idea why all these metathreads are bemoaning the fact /pol/acks can't seem to read?

>>10045055
...just how new are you?

all i'll say is if you'd written more poetry to butterfly and known love while she still lived before passing on to lesbian heaven, you wouldn't be in this situation

>>10045063
>Dude I can't like TALK to them, like talking to people about our disagreements like wha-just who does that?
>You can't just TALK to people you DISAGREE with
>That's impossible
/pol/ is nowhere near as anti-dialogical as /lit/, if this is the attitude of the average il/lit/erate fag

>>10045126
/pol/ can't hold a conversation for 5 sentences without resorting to insults or paranoid delirium.

>>10045063
>Any idea why all these metathreads are bemoaning the fact /pol/acks can't seem to read
Probably because people on /lit/ can't confront people who disrupt their echo chamber so they tell people to "go back to /pol/"

It sometimes amazes me just his disconnected the average person is from reality
>People can't have a strong sense of ethnocentrism among their own people that is innate, and treat their own people different from outsiders
Topkek, you realize that is what you're implicitly saying, right?

>>10045134
Usually I find it's the opposite
>Someone gives a reactionary view on history or politics
>DURR GO BACK /pol/ FAGGOT
Everytime. People just don't like those who disagree with them

>>10045126
Nice interpretation. Real reading between the lines stuff.

Anyway, if you had been here for more than 5 minutes, you would've known about the fruitless efforts to engage with the chaff from /pol/. You ought to lurk before deciding on very strong opinions about the board.

>>10045137
You suck at greentexting.

>>10045143
nice downplaying and victimization faggot

>>10039837
yeah im sick of pol fags and their elementary level propaganda. fucking faggots

>>10044959
>everyone who disagrees with me is a communist from a dead site

>>10045126
I've tried talking to /pol/fags several times and every time they either just ignore your arguments and go like "LALALALA ITS DA JOOS NO IM NOT LISTENING YOU'RE BRAINWASHED" or strawman your arguments with a bad greentext (like you did) and attack the strawman. Not to mention the fact that they always seem to be ignorant about the topic discussed (but that's not surprising, considering that they only get their information from 4chan and other far-right echo chambers).

>>10045204
>BUT THEY LEARNT HALF OF THE ART OF BEING RIGHT THROUGH OSMOSIS AND I'VE READ NONE OF IT
Which one of you do you think I'm failing in rhetoric, hm?

>>10045213
>BUT THEY LEARNT HALF OF THE ART OF BEING RIGHT THROUGH OSMOSIS AND I'VE READ NONE OF IT
>Which one of you do you think I'm failing in rhetoric, hm?

>>10045213
Thanks for proving what i said

>>10045233
That's what I was thinking. He literally did the very thing you talked about.

>>10045233
I see you bumping this thread like the newfag scum you are and propagate.
>>10045239
IKR it's like he told me his kryptonite and was like, lul that's won't come back to bite me. I feel unclean for dealing with someone with the complexity of capeshit, so I'm going to bathe now.

>>10045204
>I'm using a strawman against you as you literally argue exactly how I just said you did
Okay kiddo, whatever
>I've tried talking to /pol/ before and they kept saying that they didn't like Jews therefore all of their dialectic is false
Yet every time I try and talk to people about biological determininism and race naturalism all I get back is
>Go back to /pol/
>Durr fucking retard
>>>/pol/

It's almost like both sides have their morons...

>>10045289
it's almost like this is a literature board and not a politics/science board. really makes you think dunnit?

>>10045253
>I see you bumping this thread like the newfag scum you are and propagate
Says the (admitted) newfag.

What's wrong? Don't you like the fact more people will get to see your posts?

>>10045293
Except whenever the topic of race naturalism, biological determinism, any kind of reactionary interpretation of different works occurs it's the same
>Durr back to /pol/
Reaction.
>Hey you can talk about literature and philisophy all you want just make sure they aren't right wing
Plz

>>10045304
idgaf if you talk about storms of steel or tartar steppes or mishima or whateve rthe fuck. take that philposting, both libcucks and rightwing shit, off this board.

>>10045289
Thanks for proving what i said [2]

>>10045317
Oh okay, so you're just projecting your own anti-dialogical and egocentric mannerisms on others. Fair enough.

>>10045316
>Don't talk about philisophy on the literature board