/lit/ - Literature

>>10020304
Fapping every few days is fine. Just no porn

>>10020304
a load of bullshit made by catholics

shit thread die teen

>>10020310
This. Though since I started having sex I don't feel the need to fap as much.

>TFW watched porn again yesterday after going almost a week.
>Feel like shit again.

It's fucking impossible to quit lads.

>>10020379

The fear of God is a powerful thing, you know

>>10020312
No, masturbation itself isn't so bad but you shouldn't over-do it. Consumption of pornography fucks your brain in multiple ways, mainly the reward system. Best to keep masturbation at 3-4 day intervals at minimum (I do it once every 2 weeks) and to simply use your imagination for material, no porn.

>>10020607
Good thing it doesn't exist, certainly not as some anthropomorphic, interpersonal sky daddy that cares enough about some random animals to be an item worth fearing. If the latter were the case then I'd probably become a militant antitheist to try free us from such an alien tyrant. But of course this is just fiction to keep the children in check; bedtime stories.

Imagine thinking fear of anything, let alone some depraved cunt is good thing. Pure mental illness. I'm ashamed to share a species with you.

>>10020989
whoa, that was pretty rude of you Hitchens

>>10020304
It's worth mentioning that the book is more anti-porn than anti-fapping. It also convinced me that the reason the effects of pornography haven't been thoroughly recognized is due to a left wing progressive need to seem "sex positive."

>>10020304
I have genuinely tried very hard to stop. The most I have ever gone without masturbating is 121 days, but I believe I did briefly look at porn during those times, not regularly but I failed a few times. The most I have been able to go without either porn or masturbation is about 70 days. What's frustrating is then it just makes me fantasize all the time and I do not yet have the will to control those fantasies.

Kinda sucks desu. It's a lot easier when I can get physical touch from my girlfriend, but then I just want to fuck her really bad and all the time.

The Christian life is hard, man. Lust feels like my main struggle along with slothfulness, but I'm getting better with the latter.

>>10020304

Recently purchased this book. Looking forward to reading it.

>>10021024
it's more like because it makes tons of fucking do$h and is the easiest way to make a tech startup

the suppression of the harmful effects of cigarettes weren't because of drug positivity

What a dogshit thread.

>>10021033
The psychologists who should be sounding the alarm aren't getting porn money

>>10021024
Start treating porn like a drug. There’s nothing inherently wrong with drinking alcohol, but someone who drinks to excess every day clearly has a problem. Same goes with porn, there’s really nothing wrong with going for a quick fap but doing it every day is a clear sign of misuse and a potential problem.

>>10020304
I went for three months once, I found that I was more attracted to the average woman I saw in my every day life. I had two wet dreams during that time.

Right now I've gone about 3 weeks, and I've been working out 5 times a week. I think it's better this way, because I'm expending my extra sexual energy, so I rarely get urges.

So I hear you guys like books?

>tfw I fap at least 6 times each day, always to super depraved, degenerate shit
>therapist appointment is in two hours
How do I tell him..?

>>10021089
How do you even have that much semen? My nuts get super small if I beat it once a day for a few months

>>10021038
t. Lansky

>>10021096
I don't. There's no cum after the first two/three times

>>10021028
>Christian life
>girlfriend

I was completely asexual before nofap,

>>10020379
It's similar to heroin, but instead of just getting you high it's heroin catered to whatever precise niche specifications you have, available in infinite variety and quantity, at no monetary cost any time of the day only two clicks away. It's literally the perfect drug.

>>10020304
Don't read psychologist literature about not masturbating! Instead read tantric, especially Vama Marga literature. I have a lot of female friends and everyone of them complains about their boyfriend's frequency of porn consumption, masturnbation and their resulting sexual shortcomings, which can be summarised as having no empathy, no patience and having to be hurtful in order to even get off.
I find myself to be much less jumpy, much more assertive and concentrated, not too mention talky and genuinely empathetic in conversation when I keep my masturbation sessions ~2 weeks apart and don't watch porn.

All your magical mystical energy is in your sperm, so if you waste it at least drink it back up afterwards. Or at least stay away from porn.

>>10021599
>magical mystical energy in your sperm

>>10020312
actually it was the Mormons

>>10021069
disgusting pudgy pig feet, 3/10

>>10020989
>not understanding the ontological argument

>>10020304
Blowing your load once a day is healthy for the prostate.

Watching porn everyday is bad for the mind. I've found when I travel that I am able to cleanse my mind of porn and it's a liberating experience.

Either have sex, masturbate without porn or get a fleshlight. Go easy on the porn.

>>10023238
>muh prostate
>A 2008 study concluded that frequent ejaculation between the ages of 20 and 40 may be correlated with higher risk of developing prostate cancer. On the other hand, frequent ejaculation in one's 50s was found to be correlated with a lower such risk in this same study.[65]

I went a full year without doing it at all and without watching pornography. It wasn't a conscious choice, I had just stopped one day. It honestly made no major difference psychologically, having more free time was nice. But I had wet dreams occasionally which just make me feel disgusted waking up to a mess like that. And then finally going back to it the sensitivity was intense.

>>10021028
Do you also struggle with feelings of anger?

>>10020989
>masturbation itself isn't so bad but you shouldn't over-do it.
[CITATION MISSING]
it depends on the person anon. If someone is having sex with their partner once or twice a day, and jacking off three times a day in addition to that, but it isn't interfering with their routine beyond taking up some time, what's the problem? If they aren't having any negative effects, what's the problem? For some people, three times a week may be too much. For others, once a day simply isn't enough. I never got why people make such a huge deal of this. Sometimes I watch all kinds of porn, fetish stuff, weird stuff that I would normally never have thought of...sometimes I watch it every day for weeks or months (only in my free time mind you) and sometimes I go months or longer with no porn at all. So please, pray tell, what is the problem, exactly?

>Masturbate five times a day until dick hurts, look at porn for hours a day
>"Maybe I'm overdoing it a little."
>"LOL FUCKING CATHOLIC FUCKING MORMON, KEEP MASTURBATING RETARD, IT CAN'T HURT YOU."

Why are you all such faggots

>>10023734
Yes, why?

>>10020989
>Good thing it doesn't exist
Enjoy your nihilism

>>10021024
>It also convinced me that the reason the effects of pornography haven't been thoroughly recognized is due to a left wing progressive need to seem "sex positive."
It's because it's a problem for men, no-one cares then.

I still wack off daily to porn despite knowing all the downsides. Be wary of thinking reading books like OP is enough to make you stop. After all, doesn't every smoker know it is bad for their health? Still doesn't stop me lighting up at least 20 a day.

>>10021599
>so if you waste it at least drink it back up afterwards
huh...
I don't that would work and i'm not prepared to try even if it does

>>10021599
Was almost convinced by this post, until:
>atleast drink it back up

>>10023931
It's from excess semen/sexual energy in your body. I love you.

>>10021146
Well I'm not taking a vow of celibacy.

Go read a book chaps, I am now derailing this thread with softcore

>>10024233

bugs.. easy on the juice

>>10024713
>>10024772
Begone Jezebels!

>>10024206
it's a problem for women too though

I'm convinced nofap in this modern age is a way to further feminize and control men. I say in this modern age because in this modern age we are all inundated with sex. Women are encouraged to dress like sluts in public, Instagram/Twitter/Facebook shoves half naked women down our faces all day every day, TV shows, movies, Netflix, news sites, there is so much sex.

Jerking off allows you to not be influenced by all that shit and easily ignore it.

>>10020304
I'm might have been on NoFap if I'd have sex occasionally, but I don't. I'm currently on NoPorn and it feels great. I feel happier and more energetic. Ejaculating to porn is painful and disgusting so obviously it's a good thing not to experience it. I manage to focus on more productive things like reading or writing. If I feel aroused I just put away my phone/computer to avoid temptation of watching porn and go to the bathroom and toss off to mental images of girls I find attractive.

tfw porn and marijuana have made me retarded

If I understand even now that my 20s have been a giant waste, I wonder how I will think of this decade when I'm old. My only consolation to this depravity is my general belief that I could die unexpectedly any day so I might as well bust a nut on a given night

one thing i noticed porn did to me that i havent seen anyone else talk about is how it makes advertising more impactful, back in the 90s before porn i could see ads for food or soda or something and not want it, but after you spend so much time doing your best to imagine yourself in the video of a porn when you see ads you really sense the food more strongly and crave it more, really pisses me off, i can't watch tv or youtube because there is always some soda spraying the screen or a giant pizza rolling by and it's too distracting after years of getting off to porn, in the 90s i didn't even notice ads

>>10025239
i think porn is bad but jacking off is natural and essential, hell even if fucking dogs will hump a couch of they get horny enough

>>10025297
i used to think it was bad to jack it to chicks you know in real life because it would make u more weird and shy around them but after almost two decades of wacking it to random pornstars it's definitely more healthy to jack it to a chick you know, although i still think it's a jinx to fap to a chick you have a chance with

>>10021460
Its like heroin with none of the negative affects!!
literally the P E R F E C T drug

>>10021599
>All your magical mystical energy is in your sperm, so if you waste it at least drink it back up afterwards
Can confirm. One of the only "life hacks" that truly work for me.
If nothing else, you'll think twice before partaking in pointless masturbation.

Hey Anons, my favourite book is Moby Dick!

I only look and 2D porn and pretend that It's somehow better for me.

>>10021028
I've gone without porn for 8 months now, don't have a problem with it right now, but I can't go nofap for more than 2 weeks because I simply cannot concentrate and just start fantasising too much and it keeps me from studying, which is real bad. Quit porn when I started going to the Tridentine mass because I wanted to take communion regularly, but the bishop then fucked us over so we get it only once a month. Sadly, tfw no gf. I

>>10025947
I do that too, but it is mostly because girls in 3d porn just make me sad.

>>10025944
mfw

nice literature thread

>>10026059
What are you reading, anon?

>>10020312
Considering how christian morals has shaped society and how we have deserted them now. I doubt any attempt to traditionalize can be bad. now days.

>>10026102
that's a silly opinion, we still live in a very christian society.

>>10025542
if you do it unoften enough you don't have to fantasize in the first place

A guy I've known for around two years has been trying to convince me that hentai (and 2D porn in general) is art. I'm no expert obviously, but porn has had a fairly negative effect on my life and daily disposition to the point where I'd like to get rid of it completely. Does he have a point and I'm just biased or is he beyond help?

>>10026132
No, not at all. There's almost nothing left.

>>10020312
Not at all. Abstaining from masturbation in the context of a well-informed religious practice is good for you. The problem is that most "nofappers" have no idea how or why or what the benefits of abstaining is, so they start coming up with all sorts of pseudo-scientific rationalisations, like that women can someone "sense" if you masturbate or not, or some wierd shit like that. The fact that they always rationalise their no fapping in terms of either women or machoism shows that they completely miss the point.

>>10025565
>none of the negative affects!
see >>10020304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oFVOJf0TzY

>>10025533
I think its ads honestly getting better.

>>10023238
>Blowing your load once a day is healthy for the prostate.
myth

>>10025239
>nofap in this modern age is a way to further feminize and control men.

porn and masturbation control men by taking away their energy. nofap invigorates men.

>>10025297
>>10025542
eventually you should distance yourself from fantasies of girls you're not fucking and just focus on the sensation.

>>10020989
>Good thing it doesn't exist, certainly not as some anthropomorphic, interpersonal sky daddy that cares enough about some random animals to be an item worth fearing. If the latter were the case then I'd probably become a militant antitheist to try free us from such an alien tyrant. But of course this is just fiction to keep the children in check; bedtime stories.

cringe

>tfw sexual narcissist who would rather jack it in the mirror than watch porn

>>10026261
That's not true. The topic of sexual morale alone gives us plenty of examples of christian worldview outlasting explicit christian religiosity. The sexual role of the woman as a masturbatory tool for the man and object of the sexual practice opposite the male subject, the reduction of the sexual to the act of penetration, the construction of the sexual as intertwined with the romantic/intimate, the construction of the sexual as primitive and bodily opposite the mental and rational - all are relics of christianised society. Sure, there are deviants who for some reason or another live their sexuality differently, but mainstream western sexuality is still profoundly christian. Porn itself is severely tainted by christianised sexual morale.

>>10026254
Just read this book. It'll make you crave a new kind of sexuality.Soon you'll find porn to be lacking and just get bored/disgusted by it.

>>10026254
This book. It's quite scholarly but also pretty entertaining in its weird satanic edginess.

>>10026097
Malte Laurids Brigge Notebooks, kino I tell ya.

Reminder that jews openly brag about controlling the porn industry and using it to attack white people. Read it in their own words. These people are your enemy, they hate you:

http://jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

>>10026310
wow you are such a weirdo fuck

>>10026310
Better than watching porn desu, don't forget to drink your cum afterwards or you might slowly lose all your magical powers.

i cant fap without porn. Honestly my sexual drive is really low, once a week i masturbate with some porn, because its healthy and relieving, but without porn i would be not inclined to masturbate.

>>10026359
Then why do you do it? Your body will tell you when it needs you to jack it, don't worry.

>>10026347
fine by me

>>10020310
What about fapping to your friends?

>>10026362
my body tells me when i should fap but i dont want to do it. I see it as meaningless and disgusting. Looking at sweet bodies and few seconds of orgasm are my only pleasures from this futile excercise i detest so much

>>10020310
Shut up pseud.

>>10020304
No fap is legit. You will feel a difference within a week. By the end of two weeks you will feel like a cyborg. In a month you'll feel like a superman, and by the end of two months you'll feel like a demigod.

I don't know what happens after that because I
be always cracked at this point and fapped.

Seriously though, everything, EVERYTHING you do will improve and be done with greater ease and efficiency.

Also, the sexual cravings will vanish altogether after a while, and then only appear on occasion as a wave of passion - that said, the waves will be WAY more intense than any normal stimulation.

Also, after an extended nofap - contrary to what you might expect, I was able to have sex for much longer without ejaculating. When I say much longer, I mean five hours straight, compared to my normal thirty minutes to an hour.

Give it a try and see for yourself OP.

Enjoy.

>>10026396
You're not alone, OP.

>>10020989
>t. Pseud

>>10026464
>In a month you'll feel like a superman
Can't wait to get to that level again. Magic is real. Reality bends to my every whim. The entire universe is in my balls.

>>10026396
If you don't really care for it that much, why not just let it be and harness the power of your stamina, canalise it into something worthwhile? Sounds like it would be easy for you. Your lack of desire might just be a blessing.

>>10026326
Seems interesting, I'll take a look at it sometime.

>>10026487
what if i just like porn? I like evocatic hysteria of jessie andrews in glasses scene, how she embrace her feminity in position subservient, but also self-indulgent. I like seeing smile and something that looks like honest happyiness of Adriana Chechik after she is done with triple anal penetratrion. I like nihilistic apathy of Ria Sunn, how she transendends her feminime subservience into powerful image of persona that cannot be broken. I like high-end kino porn. I like amateur porn with all its quirks. I LOVE Behind The green door, and patrician scene of ejaculation (10 minutes of psychedelic bliss). Pornography may not be art, but it has some artistic qualities no question asked

>tfw woke up with a hangover
>told some black guy I met on /r9k/ that I love cuckolding and we talked about me being his sissy for at least five hours, don't remember a lot though, way too much alcohol
>also apparently I spammed a Discord server till the admin (my friend) banned me so that I stop making a fool out of myself
>also talked about suicide as usual
>after waking up I already fapped twice to black men fucking white bois and feel so fucking guilty
The jews have won, at least in my case. Should probably just end it all

>>10026582
The Jews didn't make you into a loser, Anon. You did that to yourself.

>>10026588
Yeah, I have nobody to blame but myself. Never had a chance, haha.

>>10026591
You had chances and still do. It's you that isn't taking them. Better yourself.

>>10020304
People who are addicted to fapping are attracted to nofap. After stopping fapping for a week, they feel better, and go along with the nofap narrative that you should never fap, even for hundreds of days in a row.

The problem with nofap is that it goes too far. Yes, fapping can deplete you of energy and focus, but if you space it correctly, the effects are small. Personally, I prefer to go two weeks in between faps.

The idea that you should never fap, ever, is totally ludicrous.

>>10026595
How can I fucking better myself at this point? This friend that banned me actually had some hope that I might become better and yet I relapsed so fucking hard yesterday. It's the worst fucking addiction in the world.
I made like a dozen threads on /adv/ about this and I always keep coming back because there's always this one guy who says "Well, nothing wrong with your fetishes" And two hours later I'm sending dick pics to others and beg them to indulge my findom fetish
I'm a fucking joke

>>10026602
Get help outside of 4chan.

>>10026606
I'm visiting a therapist right now, but progress is slow and we only meet every other week
I know that I'm probably fucked in the head, the worst thing is that beside these rare moments of clarity I don't even realize it anymore

>>10026609
Just keep going to the therapist and try to work constructively with them. Don't try to force yourself to stop everything cold turkey on your own (unless the therapist says otherwise) and try not to internally shame or punish yourself for doing it, but do try to do it gradually less.

>>10026582
holy... wow.
so this... is the power... of das Juden

Well I watched the Kaplan USMLE step 2 lecture (2014 I believe) on masturbation and it said that masturbation is only unhealthy if it interferes with an individual's everyday finctioning and it stressed that masturbation is normal even in children (nonsexually). Although if you have heart disease or high blood pressure masturbation and sex can put a load on your heart. Moreover, sex and probably masturbation by extension is sometimes associated with subarachnoid haemorrhage if there's a weakness in the blood vessels (classically described as the worst headache of your life) classically found in caucasian females, although males can obviously get it too.

>>10026629
This plus the "power" of some eighteen year old fuck who never had any clear direction in life
>>10026622
Thank you, that's helpful advice I think..It just depresses me that I'm gonna let down that guy from yesterday. You think I should block him for good so that I won't relapse?

>>10026629
den

Internet porn is literally the only good thing about being alive in the 21st century, or in general. What are you guys on about?

>>10026648
I don't know. Not to enable you or confuse the issue or anything but I think it's the guilt regarding these things that's fucking you up, not the things themselves. It might be a good idea to lose his contact details for the time being though, yes. Until you're in a more stable condition, otherwise you may act on it then feel more regret or shame regarding it, want to drink, do more, etc, it's cyclical.

As a side note, I found my mental health improved drastically when I realised that a lot of the thoughts/emotions experienced when hung over are the result of the hang over. If I've been drinking the night before, even if I feel mostly physically okay, everything seems a lot worse than it does when I haven't. It totally colours your outlook on life, especially if you continue to believe the negative thoughts after it's gone. If you can remind yourself that it's just the hangover talking and not to take it as seriously as your every day thoughts then things can get better that way.

>>10026464
>He thinks women enjoy 5 hours of sex

>>10026672
>otherwise you may act on it then feel more regret or shame regarding it, want to drink, do more, etc, it's cyclical.
This hit way too close to home, literally what I've been doing the past week

And I think you're right about the hang over. I shouldn't be drinking so much, especially not alone at home..

>>10026690
That's another problem in itself. You're right, but at least in my opinion the important thing right now is to be mindful of those thoughts and aware they're the product of the alcohol, and not a reasonable perspective on your life.

>>10026577
I hate to break it to you but the girls are acting. Watch some Dillion Harper or Megan Rain porn for a change and see just how stilted and artificial their expressions are. It's the same with Adriana and the others, who are just way better actors than those two. What you are witnessing are neither genuine expressions of femininity nor masculinity, you're watching two prostitutes perform a sexual act according to the demands of a director intent on making a profit. It's a job like any job and there is a reason these people get paid as much as they do - because they are good at it. Because they are good at producing content that people like you desire. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with that, just be aware that what you are watching is not more legitimate expression of sexuality than American Sniper is of war, or a Michael Bay movie is of masculinity.

>>10026602
Just keep trying and don't give up, it takes a while and many relapses, many periods just like this one but you'll be happier trying than you would be giving up.

>>10026714
Thank you for the encouraging words. You were in a similar situation once?
>>10026696
True, I should sober up for now

>>10026722
Good luck.

>>10026672
>I think it's the guilt regarding these things that's fucking you up
Fucking exactly.
Then why do you feel guilty? Who are you harming by being a submissive homo? Why do you deserve this guilt for jerking off?
You think you were duped by the big bad jew but you were actually duped by the biggest ruse of all: Christianity.
Trust me, when you realize you're a closeted homo and that this shame you feel is entirely unnecessary and arbitrary, and perpetuated by the empty, insidious ideology of the herd, you'll feel a lot better.

>>10026722
>You were in a similar situation once?
We're men on the internet in the early 21st century, not exactly a situation that is beneficial to cultivating wholesome sexuality. Everyone's affected, some in ways that are perfectly socially acceptable and others not so much. Willpower, empathy and freeing oneself from shame reign supreme in realising one's sexuality in accordance with real human relationships, not the realm of fantasy that is catered to us by the media. Ideas are a powerful poison. If our perversions arise from the realm of concepts which others try to sell us on, fully aware that outside of this realm we will not be satisfied, soon to crawl back for more, they are to be abolished. If our perversions arise from genuine exploration of our sexuality in communion with other people, they are healthy. Realising that we're all in the same boat is the first step, realising that there is a problem is being one step ahead of most, a step in the right direction.

>>10026464
>You will feel a difference within a week. By the end of two weeks you will feel like a cyborg.

Bullshit. I haven't jerked in two weeks and am only noticably hornier; perhaps a bit more clear-headed.

>>10026786
Well, what do you think a cyborg feels like?

>>10026781
What if my perversions are sadistic/masochistic crap that I can't safely realize with other people? What if I'm so far out that no one would agree to do my shit, and what if it's an impossible fantasy or something I wouldn't even feel comfortable sharing?

You don't understand anon, no one sold me on this. When I was 7 I masturbated with my head inside the bathroom bin with my mom's pads and used toilet paper. That was before the internet.

It's not like I don't appreciate regular sex, I'm honestly content with it and I can relate to women healthily. But I just need that 30 minutes of the day to go all out on porn tubes and exorcise my death drive.

>>10026763
Yeah, it's not like I don't enjoy it, I mean, I fucking love it most of the time. But I don't know if fapping to cuckshit etc. is healthy..

>>10026834
Every habit can become a vice. The thing is, if it is unhealthy, it's not unhealthy because it's degenerate or betraying the white race or whatever the fuck. It's unhealthy if it hinders your life, if you obsess over it too much, or if you can't get off to regular stuff.

Also, realize that a considerable part of the appeal of all fetishes is the taboo. I, for instance, for some reason grew an unreasonable aversion to feet as a kid, probably because I was aroused by a relative's feet or something, I dunno. But for many years I never took off my socks and avoided even looking at women's feet, then one day I watched some footjob porn for curiosity and after that I was exclusively into it for a couple of months at least. But eventually, after I got used to it just being normal, it stopped being a turn on, and now I'm not even particularly into foot stuff.

>>10026820
>When I was 7 I masturbated with my head inside the bathroom bin with my mom's pads and used toilet paper
Don't worry, man. That's normal. And there's nothing wrong with practicing hardcore bdsm with other people. However these perversions do not exist independently of your consumption of erotic media, and by giving in to those desires which you yourself view as problematic, that can only be satisfied in the realm of porn, you are reinforcing those tendencies among your perversions that truly are unnatural and antisocial. As a rule of thumb, if your own imagination is not enough to satisfy a certain urge, you should consider that perhaps they are not truly yours. This is not to say that porn is the only medium to implant such tendencies, in fact they are everywhere. Communication is ideology, society is perverse and no one person as sick as a large group.

>>10026665
Good goy

>>10026464
Don't you feel painful in the testicles and ejaculate unwillingly in your sleep?

>>10027081
I never felt pain but have had wet dreams when first going on a break. It sucks but it's better than consciously giving in to the addictions

>>10027034
But anon, I need to discharge my sexual-agressive impulses somehow, if I pent it up I'll end up insane, and maybe freak out and hurt someone for real. Porn is a fantasy land, where all your most shameful dreams come true and you get to vicariously experience the ugliest, seediest and most enticing possibilities of human interaction without hurting anyone or yourself. It's really an art form.

>all these posts
>barely any fucking literature
>just a bunch of unsubstantiated claims and neo-puritan self-help tips by Anon, Ph.D.
>implying healthy minds
>implying healthy sexuality
>implying knowledge of imagination
this is every nofap thread, fuck all of you weak-willed faggots