/lit/ - Literature

>be kelmomas
>be the worst character 4 books running
>have the most unbearable PoVs
>end the world, get everyone killed

Really fitting, when you think about it.

>>10004487

which Bakker book has the most/most graphic gay sex? Does it just gradually increase with each book chronologically, or does it spike in specific books?

>>10004503
It spikes

TTT has probably the most of it in the original trilogy, then either TGO or TUC in the second one.

>>10004481
You just need to change the flavour text on the dead breads next time. Unless the mods ban generals on /lit/.

>>10004522
Where is the fuckup? Everything in the OP seems normal.

>>10004565
Probably the flavour text

>>10004565
>>10004522
>>10004568

it just says "/sffg/" I left out "Science Fiction and Fantasy General" of the title

>>10004578
Ya didn't fug up anything except for forgetting to change my Can-D autism reference to something else.

Most general titles are frequently changed for the laughs, it's only the first part that matters because that's what people use to filter out or filter in threads.

>>10004591
>my Can-D autism reference

lel, I didn't know what that was so I thought I better not mess with it

>>10004477
Is it wrong that I see nothing wrong with Clichea? Breaking tropes for the sake of it gets on my nerves.

>"And you doubtless wish to be taken to our leader?"
I love this meme. Even Zelazny loves it.

>Raised a little knife, no bigger than a cat’s tongue.
As though to touch the Nail of Heaven.
A Wathi Doll, stolen from a dead Sansori witch …
Someone had spoken its name.

Ohhhhh sheeeeeeeeit

Perdido Street Station has good setting & races

Are Andrezj Sapkowski's Witcher books worth a read? I haven't played the games but people always wax lyrical about the story in them, so I figured I might give the books a look in.

>>10004897
Video game stories are held to lower standards.

Mostly because video game stories tend to be of lower quality and the fact that gameplay integration with the story tends to elevates the perceived quality.

Play the games, leave the books.
Unless you have literally nothing else to read.

Serious question here. You guys whine all the time about originality in fantasy and make fun of GRRM's planetos for having silly names. But what is more important, having names that make sense but are not original or having unique names that are just random syllabes that don't mean anything? If a forest is gloomy, why call it 'Irryrakh Forest' and not simply 'Gloomy Forest'? It would make sense for the local population to just call a place what it looks like. If you look at the real world there are several places with redundant names like "blue sea", "high hills", "green fields" and so on, that you guys would scorn if you saw them in a fantasy map.

>>10004918
Random syllable names are retarded too, nobody disagrees. Who are you arguing with?

>>10004918
>Irryrakh
Probably that word just means "Gloomy" in another language. There are a lot of English place names like that, being Norse or Celtic or Roman or whatever. So it depends if you want to make things sound realistic, or evoke certain imagery, or if you just want to be clear

>>10004477
>GRRM JUST MAGNIFIED ENGLAND AND TURNED EUROPE SIDEWAYS
Literally nothing wrong with that.

what's the best bronze age-style fantasy
think glorantha

>>10005201
As shitty as the books are and GRRM is himself, his world is actually okay.

>>10005201

why didnt the wights just take a boat to the deepwood

>>10004477
Is this chart recent? I ask because some of the additions are a little strange, and I'm wondering if people still use it or if it's been replaced. I really wouldn't consider The War of the Worlds or Roadside Picnic as post-apocalyptic. Sure, things get pretty dire in The War of the Worlds, and Roadside Picnic has the whole "sci-fi wasteland" but the world doesn't really end in either.

>>10004918
I don't think that anybody anywhere likes made up names that don't mean anything.

>>10005227
Nobody uses the charts

Names needn't be original or make sense but giving the reader a chance at pronunciation is advisable. Don't use Klingon phonology for the sake of differentiating yourself from other authors.

>>10004897
Not the main series, but the short story collections are pretty good. Honestly Spakowski fucked up by trying to write it as a fantasy epic, the charm of it was Geralt encountering magic shit, solving problems and having relationship issues.

>>10005227

Anon here. I made that chart in 10 minutes for a thread several months ago.

Use it or use it not, t's not of the essence. If you're interested in post-apoc and think there are better books to enter the subject, be my guest and make your own.

Nobody really uses the charts anyway.

Which book should I lose my Gene Wolfe virginity with /sffg/? Shadow of the torturer?

What are the most used and least deconstructed fantasy tropes?

>>10005385
>>10005227
>it's that time again

>>10005458
kys

>>10005458

Truly a shitty suggestion chart with regards to introductory works to post-apocalyptic.

Are there any Fantasy books set in a period similar to the Age of muskets or rifles ? preferably low magic but im more interested if anyone has given the period the same treatment that the medieval age gets

>>10005461
<3 aww I love you too anon.

>>10005462
I just posted what I read and would suggest from those categories. Those are all the books I read and would suggest from post apocalyptic. Unless you want me to put Stephanie Meyer and others?

>>10005467
Thousand names series
Powder Mage trilogy

>>10005233
I personally dont give a fuck.

There are PLENTY very real names that will sound like complete gibberish to us and vice versa for whichever culture we're so foreign to. Besides that, its fucking fiction.

>>10005489
They are autistic anon. Just ignore them. If I was to write a fantasy novel and only use place names from my country they would probably call it stupid. Even though those names were around for decades.
That is how Americlaps behave. If it isn't a Klapistani name they lose their shit. They are all self centered trash.

>needlessly creating extra shit that doesn't show up in your books
World building was a mistake

>>10005507
OBSESSED

Which fantasy authors have gotten away with writing hardcore pedophilia that's described over several pages? Asking for a friend.

So why can't Severian tell the difference between ships that sail in the sea and in space, also was the mermaid bullshitting him at the end of Claw?

>>10005507
To be fair I could do the same and they'd be right.
t. Ausfag [spoiler/]

>>10005458
Add some zealots already, faggot

Anyone have a recommendation for a series with a protag who's mentally not up for the task?

Like eventually developing psychosis like symptoms from the stress.

I've read that WoT has a protag who turns "insane" but I feel he's more of an overpowered kind of edgy shitbag.
And what I'm looking for is somebody who just crumbles under the pressure.

>>10005623
just watch Evangelion

>>10005625
Evangelion was really nice.
The protag was the kind of shitbag I asked about.

What are some sffg categorized as tools of the patriarchy?

My contribution: Larry Niven. It is subtle, but it is enough to throw the most radical feminists in a fit of rage.

>>10005487

Thanks. Ill get the Powder mage trilogy it seems good

>>10005413
It's better to start with Fifth Head of Cerberus. Shadow of the Torturer is far better, but you have to read the entire Book of the New Sun to experience a complete work, so I'd recommend reading Fifth Head first and seeing if you like Wolfe's style before you commit yourself.

>>10005647
PKD and Watts do the best psychoses
>Blindsight
>The Three Stigmata of Eldritch Palmer
>Ubik
The Lathe of Heaven also has a Shinji tier character cracking mentally but it's not as good as the others. PKD's characters have better mental fortitude than Shinji but PKD bullies them all Evangelion style and with similar psychosis.

Search Evangelion in the /lit/ archives for the most recent thread with lots of my other recs but beware that these three are the best.

Other suggestions but not as close:
You can also try Flowers for Algernon but it's not very Eva.

>>10005704
Thanks, that will keep me busy for a while.

>>10005531
Black Jewels Trilogy

>>10005623
Thomas Covenant (in the first trilogy) does eventually step up to the plate but for about 95% of the series he's a complete wreck.

>>10005553
I had some books lined up at the start of that chart, but when I finished I forgot what I had selected for zealots. If anything Bakker probably suffices for zealot. (Although that is more his followers than the protag himself. The zealot tag was suppose to be protags who were 100% dogma crazy. an anime example of what I was going for would be the fat nazi guy from alucard )

>>10004918
Hell, there are lots of places essentially called "hill hill" (one in a celtic language, the second in english)

>>10004918
Here's an example:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill

>>10005623
Discworld is that. In every fucking book

>>10005889

>Hometowns river name literally means river river in the local Anglo-Saxon tribes language

>>10005467
LIghtbringer

>>10005933
I think he wanted military. Tight pussy isn't that militant.

>>10005963

Im not bothered desu. I just wanted to know about fantasy that wasn't in some pseudo-medieval world

The Lies of Locke Lamora were great! Should i read the second book?

>>10005785
You could always update the chart, y'know.

>>10005458
So is this a troll chart or what? Why doesn't make someone make a real /sffg/ chart instead of this meme piece of shit.

>>10004838
Enjoy the start of warrior prophet going over the edge

>>10006012
Yeah. Third one's a step down though.

>>10006097
All charts are troll charts in /sffg/

I haven't read fantasy in forever and want to start reading again. I want a comfy fantasy with taverns and shit, what should I read?

When I was younger I remember liking Ranger's Apprentice and Feist, I want something in that direction but maybe a bit more mature.

>>10006277
sounds like you want Wolfe, Bakker, and Watts

>>10006277
> I want a comfy fantasy with taverns and shit, what should I read?
The Lies of Locke Lamora

>>10005201
I assumed it was just depicting the mediterranean

>tfw after managing to write every day for a week I slipped and fucked up because I couldn't think of how to describe the feeling that "this alleyway is looking kind of non-euclidean

>>10006311
>comfy read with taverns
>bakker

>every day for a month
Fcuk

How do I come up with engaging plots? Are there creativity exercises or techniques?

>>10004477
Are these books the big of LOTR ripoffs people say they are?

>>10006585
depends on your issue. If your characters motivations for doing anything seem unconvincing, hammer down who they are and what they want. If the plot is too linear, throw in complications. If your plot is predictable, plan out some unexpected twists and figure out how to disguise every little hint as something else.

If you're just not able to make a plot, just sit down and write it like a greentext, building on your own developments

What should I make my next famtasy novel be about to maximize (you)'s?

>>10006366
Those two look absolutely nothing a like.

>>10006643
Teenage girl from farm is secretly royalty, a wizard, and the chosen won destined to overthrow the evil empire regime that overthrew her secret father.

>>10006715
and a man so when she grows in her power she transforms herself

I'm jonesing for some fantasy (not YA) with no/low magic

I tried reading some Forgotten Realms and all the magic and spells made me groan out loud

Please hit me up with recommendations or post those giant images

>>10006733
And make 'deadnaming' an unforgivable blasphemy in the setting

I read The Heart Of What Was Lost and am halfway through The Witchwpod Crown. I skipped Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn because I heard it was slow and that TLKOOA was better. Is the first trilogy as cliched as the references to past events make it sound?
kitchen boy runs away with a rebellious princess and comic relief sidekick to defeat the great evil. He slays a dragon, overthrows the land's tyrannical ruler, marries the girl, and is crowned king in the end

I find it funny to pretend that the previous series doesn't exist and the stereotypical fantasy adventure is just backstory.

>>10006759
As always, I recommend the dandelion dynasty. at its core its a story about scientific progress and military tactics in an asian setting, though it does have some very small fantasy elements.

>>10006366
Well, except that Essos is nothing like Africa geographically.

>>10004918

Op here I actually like grrms setting more than his prose or characters desu. He skillfully compiles so many influences and inspirations that it is greater than the sum of it's parts. I was just shitposting in the op, his map is a little bland but nowhere near the worst

>>10006877
>grace of shit series

>>10007066
Opinion discarded. Find your own crappy book

>>10007078
I'm not the person you recommended the series to. I'm someone who was memed into reading it a few years ago. Take your cliched shit and shove it up yohr ass.

>>10006643

GRI but with Lolis too

Let me hear those shitty novel ideas so I can stea-, uh, I mean help you with them. I'll even post an appropriate reaction image to your idea.

>>10007311
I made 3 memes for that so far.

Guys I have some free time. Give me ideas for macro memes.

>>10006849
You miss the part where rebellious princess fucks some random merchant, then ends up being the one to kill the big bad, without actually doing any hard work or growing as a character . But otherwise you nailed it.

>>10007348
but I'm more like a friendly plumber or repairman, friend, helping young aspiring authors with their supple, nubile ideas.

>>10007382
Maybe!like a surgeon?

>>10004918
Names change everything

>the isolated, peaceful oriental country has far superior martial arts compared to the warring empire
Why.

>>10000994
Thanks for recommending Hardwired, it really is close to that Neuromancer style.

>>10007678
Wolfe did this for his Latro series, and it really aids the atmosphere.

I've come to the conclusion that PKD is probably the best science fiction writer.

t-thanks for 40 pages of the basics on game theory and chinese rooms, real interesting

dropped

>There are encounters that change nothing. Urth turns her aged face to the sun and he beams upon her snows; they scintillate and coruscate until each little point of ice hanging from the swelling sides of the towers seems the Claw of the Conciliator, the most precious of gems.

are you fucking kidding me

>>10008049
Try this one

>>10008093
unironically better

>>10004477
To make it perfect the map would need some mountains that go at right angles, a river that goes uphill, and "Strategic Chokepoint Valley"

>>10008003
But do I like the PKD Palmer Eldritch book more than Simmons' Hyperion Cantos? That's the question. They're kinda tied for first at the moment because I really liked characters like Eldritch with Mayerson being okay and I really loved the Keats, Silenius and the Shrike but I hated Raul Endymion as much as Leo Bulero and the Cantos went downhill with the fanfiction tier Endymion books.

>>10008074
Shit right? I hate when authors put the name of their book, in their book.

do you guys have an recommendation on scifi that doesn't center around humans?

>>10008202
c j cherryh

>>10005507

Most "American" place-names are a grab-bag of European names seasoned with crazy af indian names (Chattahoochee. Chattanooga, Tallahassee, etc.).

I can't think of a fantasy novel that uses stereotypically "American" names desu

How does an autist like Vin survive the streets?

>>10006366

I think there's a pic floating around that compares it to greece (westeros) and turkey (essos) but blown way up

>>10008279
By giving up the pussie when someone says plz.

>>10005227
It's missing The Eternal Adam by Jules Verne in the precursors.

>tfw too dumb to appreciate Gene Wolfe

The OP charts have actually gotten better from a few months ago. Nice.

>>10006759
The Traitor Baru Cormorant might interest you: main character becomes an accountant and tries to rise through the ranks in the empire that invaded and occupies her home island.

>>10007769
The warring empire doesn't need to rely on martial arts, maybe? Which book are you talking about?

>>10008227
Every single one of Cherryh '"alien" races is basically the Joneses from next door, they just have more hair or darker skin. It's quite laughable actually. Aliens don't get much more humanoid than in her novels.

>>10008725
well what's your recommendation, mr alien expert

>>10007983
>Dolphins (Delphi)
lmao, what a masterpiece
plz no mad jk

>>10008495
It's the same charts....

>>10008693
>her home island.
So those cover art our vodka squat bro were showing us of the book was a female? And not an effeminate male?

>>10009266
Indeed, mc is a young woman.

>>10005910
>granny weatherwax is mentally not up to any task

>>10006635
My problem is coming up with the initial overarching story. Is it really just a matter of using established tropes?

>>10009592
the hero's journey is a meme by fantasy fans to make boring plots sound like they have "literary" elements. tell whatever story you want

>>10009592
Nope, go with the flow.

>>10009592

That pic pretty much describes my first and only acid trip desu senpai

Little reminder, massive collections of fantasy and science fiction novels here:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3CC0E1D3FFF491051E03E654128B544B142A818B&dn=Fantasy&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6E5356CC9A58585B97BC1C2E6D2019E18D0C486F&dn=Science%20Fiction&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce

didn't someone say these are just text files and aids on the eye to read

>>10010198

Iirc most are and somebody said you can convert them to PDFs. I've converted a lot of epubs to PDF because no e-reader, which isn't hard, also some pdfs I download are already txts that have been converted. It makes a difference somehow though scans are still better

>>10005911
Bristol?

Why is it that most science fiction and fantasy cover art is so god awful?

Any sffg about diplomacy between different species? Maybe the lack of diplomacy too, but in which relationship exists and is not exclusively war. Bonus points if you actually liked the book.

>>10010804

You'd think they'd learn something by now but it only gets worse.

I absolutely loathe real people on covers 99% of the time. In fact the only time I think it's work was for the Powder Mage trilogy

>>10011128
The title is generic as hell and the cover looks like someone's used stock images for it

>>10011128
FUCKIN LOL
it looks like a selfpublished book
but it's peter v brett so it's not too far from that

>Story has good world building
>It's written by an autist who can't write
>Story has great characters
>Worldbuilding is terrible or handwaved

Why is having both so rare?

>>10011128

Seriously, this makes me want to buy only hard cover copies just so I can take the dust jacket off and not look at this god awful art.

who writes the best normie fantasy?

>>10010897
Embassytown

>>10011209
lol GRRM
>Why is having both so rare?
Because nobody can have nice things.

Would a human 20 times bigger than other humans be significantly smarter?

>>10011770
Not necessarily. It's like why rhinos aren't twenty times smarter than chimps. Or why condors aren't twenty times smarter than condors.

>>10011209
What falls under the second? Couldn't give much of a shit about worldbuilding most of the time, like I care about what the setting is but not so much for the small details.

>>10011770
The bigger the brain the higher the intelligence so yes

>>10004477
Is there any "redpilled" sf/f

Any books that would resonate with a /pol/ user I guess. Or maybe just some novels with a more right wing leaning moral? More traditionalism maybe?

>>10011823
Rhinos don't have rhino sized chimp brains, they have rhino brains

>>10011872
Arts of Dark and Light by Vox Day.

>>10011838
Not that guy, but even when a work is well-written and has an interesting cast, sometimes I'm a bit disappointed if the world isn't elaborated on more. I don't think works should have info dumps or anything, but things like consistency in the magic help involve me as a reader in understanding what characters are capable of in stories, it stops me from asking questions about why characters can't just magic out of situations and it feels good when I can puzzle things out off the information.

I don't want the history of nations that aren't relevant but I want enough of their culture to understand why characters from one acts a certain way. I don't need the full portfolio of a god but I need context on who people are praying for. You know?

>>10011881
A more literal example is that people who
suffer from gigantism aren't all geniuses. It's not the size of the brain, but the wrinkles of the brain that relate to cognitive ability, according to some neuroscientists.

>>10011912
Yeah but taller people on average are smarter. And then gigantism is an outlier cause theyre deformed

>>10011872
Armor - John Steakley
Starship Troopers - Robert A. Heinlein
The Forever War - Joe Haldeman

>>10011976
They're oddly all trash

>>10012091
>oddly

>>10012130
Strangely

>>10011872
Unironically Gene Wolfe, he's the most tradition-oriented writer in all of science-fiction/fantasy.

>>10011770
>>10011867
>>10011881
>>10011912
>>10011917

Absolute brain size is not a good indicator of intelligence. Brain-to-body mass ratio is also garbage. "Encephalization quotient" (actual brain mass of species vs predicted brain mass of a comparable sized species) is much more accurate but still falters when measuring avian species.

Also different areas of the brain have vastly different purposes, a solitary carnivore might have great spatial intelligence for its brain size when compared to social herbivore with the same size brain

In the midst of a comfy 10-hour power outage lads, 920,000 people without power in the state, phoneposting at 59% and counting. I thought the hurricane was a meme ffs. If i don't make it, I just want you all to know that NK Jizzimeme is shit thank you all

>>10011128
>that is what a Brain Prince looks like
It looks like Et fucked that baby thing that followed godzilla around in those old Japanese movies. That is not what I imagined.

>>10012664
Stone Sky was a goddamn letdown

>>10011128
people bitch about minimalist covers but this is why they should always be used, far less chance of anything going wrong

I'd be embarrassed to take that book outside

Bakker 1

>>10012918
Whoops
>>10009266
> So those cover art our vodka squat bro were showing
I'm here once again.

>>10012923
Bakker 2

>>10012925
Bakker 3

>>10012929
Bakker 4

Does Soulcatcher appear in any Black Company books after the fifth? Don't really want to read on if not.

>>10013012

fucking waifufag

>>10013153
Can't help it.

Answer the question.

Palmer Eldritch is my one and only waifu desu.

>>10004778
It's not really a bad map. Feels like it was put together by someone who doesn't understand why certain tropes are the way they are. They also don't seem to understand naming conventions of locations and landmarks; you can take the name of just about anything, translate it into English, and get a painfully literal output.

It's not even really an obscure thing; there's a mountain range near Yellowstone named 'The Grand Tetons' which is just 'large breasts' in French.

>>10004866
>Perdido Street Station has good setting & races

Well, at least you didn't claim it has good story.

>shadow is shit, gene is a hack, killed the only good character his story had, not even going to read the later ones because of how shit the first book turned after she died

>4channer (probably a reddite) uses meme to write a book
>introducing normies to my memes

>there is a book called wombbreaker
l-lewd >///>

>>10008279
she can literally influence people' s minds and make them complacent

>>10004477
>author unironically names a city Darujhistan

>>10013679
oh boy here we go

>>10013679
Sex with a woman is like a fine instrument...

>>10013679
>If book 3 ever comes out. Rothfuss admitted in a blog recently he isnt working on it. He is working on his kickstarters and TV shows. He just had a blog about secret meetings with Wizards of the Coast. So now he is working on roleplaying games.

This is too funny.

>>10013679
the most annoying thing I've found any time I've visited there isn't the shit taste, but that every second post is some literal who author shilling their 99c amazon """"""""""novel""""""""""

>>10013694
Life is like a lute missing a string.

>>10013679
I'm going to meet Patrick Rothfuss at SLC Comic-Con in 10 days. What should I have him write when he signs my book?

>>10013723
are you mormon?

>>10013723
"To a goy that bought my books, Patrick."

>>10013725
I was raised mormon, and was a true believer until I was 17. They don't teach a lot of the ugly church history and I decided to dig it up myself. Once I realized how batshit crazy the religion was I bailed out. They have the art of cult brainwashing perfected.

>>10013751
interesting

>>10013757
Despite that mormons are genuinely the nicest, happiest people you will ever meet. It's just a shame that they are so willing to pay 10% of their annual income in tithing just so that they can be told how to think.

>>10013751
Are you angry that you didn't grow up in a more aesthetic religion like Catholicism? I mean, compare Gene Wolfe and Brandon Sanderson

Is baru cormorant a feminist book?
Is it any good?

>>10013870
The author put up a blog post about how the story is an allegory for white imperialism destroying indigenous queerness, so take that as you will.

>>10013706
It's weird how the fantasy reddit is so trash when printSF is patrish.

>>10013850
Definitely. When I visited the National Cathedral in D.C. with my high school I was utterly stricken by the entire beauty of the building and had the opportunity to speak to some Catholics my age. Coincidentally this was the same trip that opened my eyes to the possibility that maybe Mormonism wasn't "the one true religion."
Sure I wish I had been raised in a more casual, Catholic setting, but my life as a LDS child was pretty legit for the most part. Boy scout program is amazing, church activities were fun. We went camping all the time, did summer camps, earned badges and learned cool stuff. If it wasn't for the sexual-guilt shaming during puberty, helicopter parents, and countless hours wasted in church, it would have been the best childhood ever.
I'll stop blogging now though and switch back to the thread topic. One of my favorite books as a teenager was Ender's Game and Speaker for The Dead. When I looked into Orson Scott Card's biography I was surprised to learn he was LDS as well. He became my inspiration to become a writer. His imagination and storytelling blew my mind as a kid.

>>10013893
>white imperialism destroying indigenous queerness

>>10013689
>>10013694
>>10013702
>>10013706
>>10013723
it's a genuinely good book

>>10013954
Kvothe ruins the series entirely. He is just a textbook mary sue.
>b-but the book explores the struggles of being an inherently talented person
>bad stuff happens to him in the book so it's okay!
That's not how I like my protagonists. It takes away a lot from the story for me when characters are just good at things inexplicably. Just my personal opinion.

>>10013949
https://www.sethdickinson.com/2015/11/24/the-secret-design-of-the-traitor-baru-cormorant/#more-219

Finished about %25 of this.

Story is going fine but I sometimes find the descriptions of the scenes quite ostentatious. Seriously I m not the one who'd brag about his vocabulary but I felt like dude was writing with an open thesaurus next to his pen.

>>10014020
>He is just a textbook mary sue.
He is not remotely similar to patrick rothfuss. Mary Sue does not mean hyper-competent, it means an escapist self-insert of the author. There's nothing wrong with a character being brilliant if he encounters fittingly difficult obstacles.
It's fine not to like it, but goddamn, stop calling it mary sue and pretend that this is an inherently bad thing that you're justified to dismiss because of it.

Can someone tell Sanderson to stop writing his books like he's writing a college thesis?

>>10014047
I know how you feel, I'm currently half way through it. If I didn't have my kindle defining every obscure word in his sentences I would have stopped by now.
I feel like a brainlet trying to keep track of the shit ton of new characters he brings in during Durijhistan. Not to mention a lot of the political dynamics between the Malzhan and the other countries feels difficult to decipher. If there's more kickass scenes like the 5th's assault on the Moon though I will definitely stick to reading it.

>that bittersweet feel when you finish a series that you really enjoyed

>>10014094
>post trilogy depression

>>10002877
Why would you do this?
>>10008725
I'm curious, what have you read of Cherryh's?
>>10010897
Unironically, The Pride of Chanur.

>>10014094
>that bitterbitter feel when you realize that series you really enjoy is never going to end

>>10013679

>>10014065
Yeah I'm about to have a meeting with him, I'll set him straight for you pham

>>10011128
Is that Leasha the whore Paper?

>>10012803
No loli rape?

>>10012923
I'm black and never had a Russian friend. Will you be my friend?

>>10012923
P. CKOTT 63KKEP
>in Soviet Russia R's are P's
>it's actually Pussia and not Russia

>>10014370
> I'm black
No

>>10014398
But I promise I won't cuck you. You can teach me to squat and I can teach you how to dress in something other than Adidas.

Any sff novel with spooky sexy skeletons?
Other than the new wonder woman books, and Anita Blake.

Any fantasy novels with gay traps?

>>10014752
your diary desu

>>10014757
my diary is not genre fiction, desu

made me laugh a lot

>>10010804
>>10011128
When I was a kid fantasy covers seemed to make sense regardless of how shitty the book was, what happened?

>>10014080
>If there's more kickass scenes like the 5th's assault on the Moon though I will definitely stick to reading it.
Yes. There are.

>>10014788
>oh lord these wizards are ridiculous
>let's base our magic system off them
Damn it Gygax, you missed the point, didn't you?

>>10014757
I wish

Random question
Is it possible to skip over the bronze age and go straight to iron smelting from stone?

>>10014956
He did... I think.

>>10014956
Anything is possible in a multiverse

>>10014956
During Jomon period in Japan bronze and iron were introduced from mainland simultaneously.

How much would a tussian domesticated fox kinda experiment cost? I want to create massively brained crows and then make them shitpost on 4chan and maybe do some fiverr jobs to make back profits.
Also, would this be ethical? Sci fi geeks should know

>>10015001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVBDjLnc7Kc
still gets me off

>>10015012
I was thinking more data entry, not sure how much sex stuff crows could really do. Maybe some bloodborne fans would like that but not much else

>>10013679
>[Spoiler]Even though she locks me in a chastity cage and binds and gags me and invites her Chad bf to pound my ass every night, I will still be here, long after he is gone, making her laugh while I lick Chad's cum out of her snatch[/spoiler]

Is Kvothe literally moot

>>10015022
>When you fuck up your shitpost so bad you have to retire from the thread in shame

Fantasy books with long, overly detailed descriptions of makeup and make up application?

>>10015037
>All this effort to look slightly prettier, men honestly do not give that much of a fuck as long as you're not fat or deformed
>Women
Maybe they really do do it for themselves and not men.

>>10015048
You are only ever as good as your exterior. Makeup is at its core a display of empathy and altruism, don't be so cynical

>tfw you will never share dreams with a pupper

>>10015098
>he wouldn't rather share dreams with a lion/cheetah

What is some post sincerity science fiction or fantasy. Maybe something like million dollar extreme but with elves

Outside of Gene Wolfe, Daniel Keyes, Robert Silverberg and Ursula Le Guin, who I'm familiar with, what are some good science fiction books that use first person POV in a good/interesting way, whether non-linear, unreliable, etc.

>>10015205
The New York Times.
Start writing and you can get in on the ground floor, become the Tolkein of neo-comedic ab-political post-literate synth-tasy.

>>10014752
Bakker

>>10015212
Do you think that'd have an audience? If I just binged mde and wrote a fantasy book while under tetris effect.

In light of the It film remake, what are your favorite "horror fantasy" novels?

>>10015239
>>>/tv/

>>10015240
>Novels

>>10015239
Why would I intentionally scare myself forcing daddy to console me? Stupid post

>>10015239
Revenge of the Lawn Weenies

>>10015223
Who knows? I'm not sure how it would translate to the written word, visuals are really important. You could nail the rambling delirium pretty well, and descriptions MIGHT be possible too.
But fundamentally, isn't the point that it's REAL? That all of the absurdism is actually not absurd at all and is actually happening right now with total sincerity? Writing a fantasy book kinda takes away from it.
On the other hand, extremely thinly veiled fantasy allegories mixing modern socio-political economics with a ridiculous fantasy setting could be interesting.

It all comes down to one thing: Can you nail the tone?

>>10014956
Tin can be smelted in an open campfire. Copper smelting requires a lower temperature than iron, but generally requires the construction of a specialized furnace, though could conceivably have been discovered by accident from building large fires. I suppose the discovery of alloying copper to produce bronze didn't have to occur before someone trying to increase the temperature of a copper smelter produced iron. Native iron from meteorites occurs in nature so an ancient metallurgist would have known about it before trying to smelt ore.

If your story occurs on another world where it's easy to build a very hot fire -- higher oxygen content in the air, for instance -- you could make it not even possible but probable that ironworking was discovered much sooner than in our own past.

>>10015271
>But fundamentally, isn't the point that it's REAL? That all of the absurdism is actually not absurd at all and is actually happening right now with total sincerity? Writing a fantasy book kinda takes away from it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Er3vu2IVLjc
Dunno if I could nail the tone. Will have to try first

>>10015286
The Primitive Technology guy smelts iron nodules with his spinny stick forced air mud furnace.

>>10015239
Coneheads

>>10015301
The Sumerians built a civilisation out of mud, pretty good eh?

>>10015301
Right, but he already knew he needed to build a high-temperature furnace and how to do it. It's just a fact that copper alloys were known and used for thousands of years before iron smelting. Did it have to be that way? Probably not, no.

>>10015223
mde is literally only popular because losers see sam hyde as the ultimate edgelord who wouldn't let their goddamn mom tell them to take out the goddamn trash in front of their goddamn friends

Its hero worship plane and simple, the content they create is objectively without merit, hence why the show was cancelled.

So no, your book would be terrible and no one would read it unless you ghostwrote it for Sam and he told everyone that gays wouldn't like them to read it or something

>>10015359
sam hyde is a left leaning satirist making fun of the right and left extremes, not edgy

>>10013870
It's good and /u/

What books you guys waiting on?

>>10016233
None, unless you count my to read pile.

>>10016233
Oathbringer!

>>10016244
So you have every book you ever wanted to read at your fingertips?

>>10016233
The next Bakker

>>10015377
>sam hyde is a left leaning satirist
lol

>>10016249
Ive literally got about 40 books sitting next to my bed, thats easily a years worth of material. Plus nothing interesting is coming out soon.

>>10015070
>Women wearing makeup
>empathy and altruism
wew

>>10016339
>Woman wearing makeup
>bad
Too lazy to get your male to female transexual surgery, huh?

is the whole "vomiting words on a page" thing a good idea? I'm making a lot of progress but my prose is suffering

>>10016399
Not only are you deranged for trying to pressure me into such a degenerate endeavor, but your greentext shows your lack of reading comprehension.
>that fucking image

>>10016445
>ForGifs.com
It's time for you to go back to tumblr with the rest of you transexuals.

what is this shit that I'm reading and why is it so much fun? I haven't been this enthralled by a fantasy book in ages but then again I don't read much fantasy.

>>10014080
Stick with it anon.

>>10014370
>I'm black
lol newsflash eastern euros dont like us very much, and western euros only pretend to

>>10014370
>tfw ywn be anon's russian friend
;_;

>>10015037
You have inspired me. I just wanted you to know this.

>>10005214
The real history or Robert E. Howards Hyboria.

>>10016556
I want to watch Martin Silenus write a fanfiction of the Shrike putting on makeup culminating in the actual Shrike impaling him

What makes for a good fantasy novel cover?

>>10016233
Next Simmons WW2 novel.

>>10016568
The publishers chooses that for you, otherwise study your market and see what they're drawn to.

Usually its some pleb shit with a brooding guy or hot girl on the cover

>>10013723
>What should I have him write when he signs my book?
>"To Anon: Sunset found her squatting in the grass — Patrick Rothfuss"

If he's actually cool, he will do it. If he doesn't do it, he is a turd

>>10016520
>'Slagg,' said the Countess, 'go away! I would like to see the boy when he is six. Find a wet nurse from the Outer Dwellings. Make him green dresses from the velvet curtains. Take this gold ring of mine. Fix a chain to it. Let him wear it around his wry little neck. Call him Titus. Go away and leave the door six inches open.'
yeah it's bretty good

>>10016233
https://www.amazon.com/Attack-Shadows-Galaxys-Edge-Book-ebook/dp/B07541JBYS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1505180820&sr=8-4&keywords=galaxy%27s+edge

>>10013893

I think I will pass on that desu senpai

>>10014752

what would constitute a "straight" trap?

>>10013893
>white imperialism destroying indigenous queerness
I'd swear that if I didn't know firsthand that leftshits were absolute retards this would be a parody written by a right-wing author.

Hello scifi guys
So I just started reading some scifi books for the first time in my life...mostly because i watched some movies like inception, and really enjoyed the feel of it...and wanted to experience something similar, but with literature... I don't have much time to read with work and all...but just recently finished reading my first two books of choice... hyperion and a canticle for leibowitz.... enjoyed both of them very much... I got a question for all of u... I just recently started seeing this thread on lit...is there anywhere on the web where all the charts and guides are backed up?

>>10004477
Speaking of maps, I finally did it, the perfect Westeros to Britain equivalents map.

The only problem I have is Wales. I made Cornwall/Devon Dorne because it looks nicer (and because "Dornish" sounds like Cornish) but everything about Dorne's history (plus many aspects of its geography) are so Wales it hurts. I just couldn't find anywhere else to slot the Vale.

>>10015320

And the Indians built a civilization out of poo

>>10016731
The sticky
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

>>10006138
Third was my favorite. It's good if you want a break from the "Some baddie has us in our clutches and gives us ultimateums" repeats that Lynch does in 1 and 2

>>10006849
First trilogy was only unique for it's world building, and even then it didn't differ much from the status quo. Witchwood Crown is a substantial improvement

>>10016556
Happy to hear it

>>10014752
Robin Hobb, but you have to read two of her trilogies before you understand who

>>10016274
he is

>>10016789
lol

>>10016804
>I don't understand something but I'm still comfortable shitting on it
I bet you think pepe is a hate symbol too

>>10016813
L O L
O
L

>>10016813

Samaw'al Huayadi, alias Samuel Hyde alias al Akbadhi is a Radical Islamist Terrorist, we all know this. Only pathetic western liberal muslim apologies try to meme him into some kind of alt-right nazi

>>10016813
Sam Hyde is a faggot

>>10016825
well he has had sex with one of my transgender friends, so yes

super obscure books you read when you were a kid?
i remember pic related was fucking great back in middle school.
>tfw youll never check books out of the fantasy section of your school library again

>>10016973
I read the entirety of my schools library

How do I stop excel from turning an (R) into a ®. Preferably without having to change settings.

>>10017237
AUTOCORRECT SETTINGS FAG

>>10017241
I said preferably without changing any settings. Can't I write something to indicate that this specific block is a literal string? Also sorry for the off-topic post. It was a genuine accident, I meant to write it in another thread where it would still be off topic

>>10017237
Type an apostrophe as the first character in the cell.

>>10017298
Thanks

You know those fantasy series' that take place either in the far future of our world or a post-apocalypse version of our world that somehow turned it into a fantasy setting? Well I'm gonna do THE OPPOSITE!

>>10017380
A fantasy world that's far in our world's past and was forgotten over the ages? I'm sorry Anon, but Tolkien already did that.

>>10016973
My gran loves those things, bizarrely.

>>10017380
I think I will have to make a wordart macro for delusional writers who only have ideas.

New Thread; now with full subject.
>>10017519
>>10017519
>>10017519
>>10017519

>>10017380
Uh, I'm pretty sure that "world had magic but turned into modern setting and magic is lost/forgotten" has been done even more than the opposite. Good luck breaking new ground.

Which one first?
>I know starting with Crown Tower isn't technically right, but it is chronologically right order and it's written so that you can do so.

I'm new to nonfiction book reading; I've read all of Tolkien.