/lit/ - Literature

Help me out /lit/, I need to find the name of something

There is this method of critical thinking where you keep asking "Why do you think X is the case" and when the answer is Y then you ask again "Why do you think Y is the case" and repeat this until you end up at the most basic assumption that is the basis of the logical construct that lead you to that original belief.

That method had a name and I am pretty sure its from an ancient greek or roman philosopher, but I can't remember.

Hey guys, does anyone have a preffered anki set for 6 principle part verb sheets

>>10514430
Literally the Socratic method, though you may also be thinking of Dialectic

>why is Quest for the Golden Fleece never brought up?

I heard he was a pretty cool guy

Is it worth a readaroo?

I love the classics more than most.
How should I announce this to the world?

>>10514087
Given the reference to lightning I would assume the Greek generalized deity

>>10515264
Why is this woman sniffing the butt of a statue?

Any pre-reqs before the Golden ass? I'm currently finishing up pic related.

Will re-read Aeneid if necessary.

How does this hold up? Its nearly 50 years old, anything better by now?

Thoughts on pic related?

Does lit have an archive? I need this for future reference

>>10515959
All boards have a temporary archive for a few days now, it's accessible from the catalog. I don't think any of the major 4chan archives are still up though, so beyond that you'll be wanting to save an image of the webpage if you can (I believe Google Chrome lets you do this natively and I'm sure Firefox has an extension for it)

On an unrelated note, Epictetus continues to be hilarious
>Butt nowadays engaging in logical dialogue is just not a very safe business, in Rome especially. Because of course, you can't do it off in a corner somewhere.
>You may find yourself approaching a Senator, someone with money, and asking: 'Do you know, sir, to whom you have entrusted the care of your horses?'
>Pester him further, and he is liable to punch you in the nose. I myself was once keen for this sort of discourse, until I met with just such a reception.

>>10515959
>>10516196

can you guys even use google? It is literally the first link

>>10516196
>I don't think any of the major 4chan archives are still up though
What the fuck? There are at LEAST 2 archives for /lit/ my man.

>>10516213
>>10516203
Well shit, glad to have been proven wrong

Anyone have a better understanding of Epictetus' treatment of the Master Argument? For those unaware, the Master Argument of Diodorus is based on 3 principals drawn roughly from Aristotle's paradox of the Sea Battle in 'On Interpretation'
The three principles are as follows:
1: Everything that has happened, and is true, must necessarily have happened
2: An impossible event cannot arise from a possible event
3: Something that is not True, nor will ever become True, is possible

Diodorus maintains that the first two principles remain true, while the third is false. In other words, he maintains that you can't change Destiny and so upholds Determinism. But Epictetus also references two opposing views, one that agrees with points 3 and 2 but refuses 1, and another that backs 3 and 1, but not 2.
Evidently I'm supposed to form my own answer for this Argument, but I don't really understand what follows from the other two categorizations, and only have a brief snippet from Aristotle's original paradox in the Discourses I'm reading to help.

>>10482424
kek what is this pic?

>Want to buy an ancient Greek dictionary
>It's almost 200$

Feels bad man :(

>>10517011

I'm not sure I would speak of it in terms of determinism exactly.

Here is an intriguing passage of Alexander of Aphrodisias that is of some relevance.

>>10517991
https://my.mixtape.moe/bjjlli.pdf

>>10518096

Thank you very much.

And one day I may get a physical copy to match it.

>>10517991
>brill
>not LSJ
βαρβαρε

I assume that learning Latin would be a lot easier than learning Greek?

>>10518273
No. They are equally difficult.

>>10518235

I like the colour yellow.

>>10518273

Yes. More words will seem more familiar, you won't have to learn a new alphabet, and the word endings aren't as complex.

>>10518273
I've heard many times that Greek is hard at first then gets easier, while Latin is easy to start and gets harder.

A Brief History of Greece 1ed
https://ufile.io/lqn72

>>10518093
I don't see how that isn't determinism. By Diodorus' claim, an event that will happen at some point in the future must necessarily be predestined to Happen.

For what it's worth I worked through the proofs for the other sets of principles, and if my logic is decent then both seem to suggest a certain rule of causality in conflict with Determinism, but I'll need to go do some research into the philosophies of the individuals Epictetus cites as originally proving those alternative sets to see if my conclusions are in line with theirs. Online the best references I can find simply state that X individual proved that Points 1 and 3 disproved 2, etc, but not the consequences therein.

>>10518689
>I don't see how that isn't determinism.

I only hesitate because words like determinism or predestination have a lot of baggage.

Note too that some have interpreted Diodorus to mean that everything that can happen has happened, is happening, or will happen, and not simply that what has happened needed to happen. I think this is a bit stronger than what you have in mind though I could be wrong.

Just finished Homer, gonna read the Aeneid next. How is it?

>>10518773
>How is it?

Really really good.

>>10518722
So a Parmenides-inspired reading? I see that, but at the very least I don't think that clashes with determinism.

>>10518773
It's pretty excellent.

How did ancient greek sacrifices even work? I keep reading about them burning the fat of animals and shit but I can never form a mental image of what's going on.

>>10520476
in a formal setting they burned the bones and offals of animals, and then ate the actual meat as barbecue. This would be the only common consumption of meat for many greeks

In an informal setting, there was typically the erection of a hekatomb (think a sacrificial bonfire) which would be used to burn the offal and then also cook the meat
Of course the cults of each deity had more elaborate rituals

>>10498759
It's because he's been burned by so many others before.

>no longer in print

They don't want you to read this

>>10521691
No, they just want you to buy the actual works the poems come from.

From the chart:

>I'd recommend Toynbees On hellenism but it expects a certain level of British schoolboy knowledge of narrative history

What did anon mean by this?

>>10501042
It is 100% possible if you already know an Indo european language close to those (spanish, italian, french, greek), otherwise it might be harder for you to actually bother as you have a lot of rules to learn.
The biggest problem for Greek especially would be the conjugations and the irregularrities.
>>10503086
Don't bother learning the pitch accent unless you want to be very anal about poetry and metrics

>>10522974
>What did anon mean by this?

You need to know basic periods of history.
When the Alexander sweep forth. What happens after. When does the Republic become Empire. When does the western half of the Roman Empire fall. etc.

Not so much the dates, but how these things relate to each other.