/lit/ - Literature

>>21932360

Also, just finished so I'm thinking.
>Oedipus is basically treated as semi-divine in Thebes before everyone discovers his family tree is a circle.
>Then he is shunned because incest is something only the gods are supposed to do.
>But then by the end of the play Oedipus is once again semi-divine and goes through a mini-apotheosis
>Also the gods promise to ruin the lives of everyone he doesn't like.
So was Oedipus sort of an abused god the whole time, or was this more of a "Welcome to the party!" scenario where the gods recognized one of their own after the fact.

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>>19340415
Gouge your eyes out anon because incest is LE BAD unironically

Only in the pre-christian world did tragedy hold any meaning. In the Christian world tragedy was impossible to reconcile with and lost. Christ's victory over death was also the victor over tragedy. His passion cannot be viewed as a tragedy, despite what Christians say, because of his ultimate overcoming of death. Real tragedy belongs to the likes of Oedipus. In our post-christian world one would think that the death of god would have paved the ways for tragedy to emerge from its ancient ruins, but because of our failures of dealing with nihilism it cannot be so yet. Until we can overcome nihilism, tragedy will remain hidden from us.

What would the defeat of nihilism be like? It would be to dance with a flaming passion in the face of life; because life ultimately is the greatest tragedy.

>>18417756
Do you long for martyrdom?

>>18127028

Why the fuck did he do it? Why did Oedipus tear out his eyes, and why did Sophocles write this into the play? Also who is your favorite Greek playwright?

any books on how mums influence their children and the patterns on mums and their sons
> inb4 Oedipus Rex

>be me
>solve riddle and become king for saving the city
>marry dead king’s milf wife
>a plague threatens the kingdom
>”shit wtf do I do?”
>Orator tells me that the plague stops if I can find out who was responsible for the unsolved murder of the first King
>ok cool so I just have to solve the mystery
>learn about the old prophecy about how the king was going to be killed by his own son
>”ok so let’s find the son”
>queen tells you that that prophecy is fake because they gave the son up to an orphanage and the king was murdered on the road by a group of bandits
>realize you’re adopted
>realize you stabbed some guy on the road half a year back
>realize you’ve been banging your mom and have incest-children
>use your last remaining brain cell to gouge your eyes out
>seppuku.png

I've been reading the Odyssey, and just read Odysseus encounter with the shadow of Oedipus' mother. I always thought that the whole story was created by Sophocles, but it's quite clear now that it must come from Greek tradition. How much of the plays by the three tragediographers is tradition, and how much is actual creative innovation?

>>14162118
what the fuck op? please, i beg you all, stop posting photos of hot girls online...
i'm trying to stop masturbating to porn, and i can't with you fucking doing this things to me. now i just want to coom again.

>>13853373
That's the facade that you're living behind - it's not the truth. For you, philosophy is an escape. How can you even apply or truly comprehend what you're reading if you have no life through which to do so?
>Justice is the interest of the stronger
Between Mom's kitchen and your bedroom, where might have you encountered this idea? Your books? That's a good start - but again, it's not real. There's no concreteness for you, no experiential confrontation with such an idea. How then could you possibly digest it? If you had a life, it would contribute to your understanding of such ideas, and such ideas could contribute to your understanding of life. But as it stands, this is just an escape for you. An excuse.
>but im seeking reason
No, puer aeternus, you're running away.
>Some pueri aeterni escape from the mother by means of...."thought airplanes" - going off into the air with some kind of philosophical theory or intellectual system.
>It is probably a last attempt on the part of the men to save their masculinity.
>They can slip out from under [their mother's] skirt into the realm of the intellect, where she cannot follow.
>...it is an initial attempt to escape the mother's power and the animus pressure by getting into the realms of books and philosophical discussion, which they think mother does not understand...

was it because killing your father and marrying your mother was considered shocking at the time?
was it because repeating the same themes over and over again made it look all artsy and theatrical?
was it because it was one of the only two Greek books on the high school reading list?
I read this book 7 years ago, should I shove it in the "you'll only truly understand it when you're 40" pile along with Catcher in the Rye? because that's also the popular trash pile.

let's get real tho

Where do you stand?
http://strawpoll.me/4404357

>be me
>parents are rulers of Corinth
>Life is great
>one day some asshole tells me i'm adopted
>Tell him to fuck off, but kind of suspicious
>ask parents, they deny it
>Fuck this shit, go ask Oracle of Delphi
>tfw says i'm gonna fuck my mom
>tfw says i'm gonna kill my dad
>run away to Thebes to avoid this
>at crossroads, asshole comes up
>almost runs into me
>Fucker says he has the right of way
>get into fight
>kill this bitch
>alpha as fuck
>move on to Thebes
>giant-ass lion with wings and qt head
>asks me some riddle
>easy answer
>bitch kills herself out of surprise
>Queen comes out to congratulate me
>total MILF
>as a reward, she'll marry me and I become king of Thebes
>fuckyeah.jpg
>years later
>bunch of my citizens are dying from some disease
>My brother-in-law, goes to find out why
>turns out it's cause some dude killed the last king and they never found out who
>decide to find out
>Ask this wise blind dude named Tiresias
>fucker says he knows, but refuses to tell me
>tells me to give up
>Get into huge fight with him
>super frustrated, he tells me I murdered the old king
>lolwat
>bet this dude was payed off by enemies
>tell him to fuck off
>calls me a motherfucker as he walks off
>back at home, wife tells me not to mind
>says she got told a prophecy that didn't come true
>her son would kill her old husband
>husband was actually killed by bandits at some crossroad
>ask her how her old husband looked
>she describes the same asshole i killed a while back
>ohshit.jpg
>apparently a shepherd said it was multiple guys
>messenger dude shows up
>says my dad is dead
>prophecy was wrong
>still might fuck my mom
>messenger says it's okay, he actually gave me to the king and queen of thebes
>what
>turns out he also saw who murdered the old king of Thebes
>wife starts panicing, tells me to stop inquiring
>interrogate the shepherd anyway
>he admits that I was the old king's son, who he couldn't kill
>mfw I killed my dad
>mfw i fucked my mom