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>>22710887
Reason trumps blind allegiance to authority. That’s because we must use our reason to interpret the dictates of authority. Thus reason is prior to authority.
>>22710879
It’s got nothing to do with Orthodoxy. Faithful Catholics, such as Archbishop Lefebvre, reacted against Vatican II for precisely the same reasons I am giving here. These guys in this thread are acting like I made all this stuff up.

As for Orthodoxy, there are no orthodox churches near me. And I no longer trust the institutional iChurch becasue of the betrayal of Vatican II.

>>21967085
The conciliar church is not the Catholic Church. Get over it, soiboi.

>>21923012
You are a lying bastard.
Pope Pius IX
>The civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism.
>The Roman Pontiff cannot, and ought never to, reconcile himself with liberalism, progress, and modern civilisation.
>it has been unwisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.

Stop deluding yourself and get out of the Vatican II church as fast as you can

Pope Gregory XVI
> This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone.... Thence comes transformation of minds, corruption of youths, contempt of sacred things and holy laws — in other words, a pestilence more deadly to the state than any other. Experience shows, even from earliest times, that cities renowned for wealth, dominion, and glory perished as a result of this single evil, namely immoderate freedom of opinion, license of free speech, and desire for novelty.

Pope Pius IX
>The civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people. The Roman Pontiff cannot, and ought never to, reconcile himself with liberalism, progress, or modern civilisation.

Pope Leo XIII
>So, too, the liberty of thinking, and of publishing, whatsoever each one likes, without any hindrance, is not in itself an advantage over which society can wisely rejoice. On the contrary, it is the fountain-head and origin of many evils.

Vatican II:
>This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits. The Council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself. This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.

How can members of the Vatican II sect claim to be Catholic?

>>21839448
People say John XXIII was the first antipope in our times, I don't know about that because although he started Vatican II but he died before its completion. Paul VI was definitely a heretic however because he affirmed everything in Vatican II. It's not certain that he lost his office but it is probable.

After him, John Paul II was definitely not the Pope because he was a heretic even before assuming the Papal throne. By the Church's law females, heretics, insane people, and unbaptised people cannot become Pope. Since John Paul II affirmed Vatican II before his enthronement it is 100% certain he was not the Pope, same with Benedict XVI and same with Francis.