/lit/ - Literature

>there are people on /lit/ right now who have never read Plato

ITT we explain our personal perfect societies.

Mine, a ecocentric agrarian society based around limits that create 0 population growth and pagan ceremonies that involve the use of psilocybin mushrooms to create a firm sense of community and reverence for Nature. Would also probably be ethnocentric and have a eugenics program in place.

>>4104172
The fact that so many books still name Socrates "the greatest or most significant or most influential" philosopher ever only tells you how far philosophy still is from becoming a serious discipline. Scientists have long recognized that the greatest scientists of all times are Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, who were not the most famous or richest or most published of their times, let alone of all times. Classical physicists rank the highly controversial Newton over physicists who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Philosophers are still blinded by dialectical success: Socrates knew more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Scientists grow up reading a lot of science of the past, classical physicists grow up reading a lot of physics of the past. Philosophers are often totally ignorant of the philosophers of the past, they barely know the pre-Socratics. No wonder they will think that Socrates did anything worth of being saved. In a sense Socrates is emblematic of the status of philosophy as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it Heidegger or Merleau-Ponty) and too little attention to the merits of real philosophers. If somebody schematizes the most divine System but no school picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of students will ignore him. If a major school picks up a philosopher who is as stereotyped as one can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average student will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of philosophy: philosophers are basically publicists working for free for major schools, publishers and sages. They simply publicize what the philosophy business wants to make money with.

Drama predates literature by far, neophyte.
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>>3019071
this'un?

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>>2949271
>tfw Socrates is arrested for molestation

>>2877388

The difference of who and what is in "use value." The uniqueness of being and love (I recall somewhere Socrates said "I know of nothing but erotic matters") is in being more than a mere tool. Even in anthropomorphizing an inanimate object, like naming a car, you are marking its uniqueness beyond what it can do.

Where Derrida speaks of "seduction," it's also interesting to note that in the Lysis, Socrates reproaches Lysis for flattering the object of his [Lysis'] affection, when really it would be better to "trounce him," whereupon Lysis would make known that he can fill the void his lover never knew existed (no pun intended?). So in love there's always a sense of being reduced and filled up at the same time, it's a revelation of brokenness commensurate with the satisfaction of being made whole. I'm not sure if that's entirely on topic, tho, and I'm too tired to talk intelligently but maybe that's the best way to talk about deconstruction.