/lit/ - Literature

>>20526179
well if your claim to fame is your thinking, and your thinking is worthless, then...

>>19738318
all that is irrelevant to the conversation. we're comparing the value of deleuze to the value of physics and biology. we're comparing the virtues of deleuze, heidegger, hegel, lacan, derrida etc with science as a way to learn things about the world and gain a higher understanding.
that's all this thread is.

>>17793410
>If you study it correctly, philosophy makes you think, and we can't have a populace that thinks
most of the philosophy this board jerks off over is the direct opposite of thinking.

>>17440987
this thread is about lacan and deleuze and other french and german charlatans vs science.

>how science can explain the reason for why saving people or not torturing babies is a good thing
no. eventually you have to decide on your values and then science of course is what helps you figure out what to do to achieve those values. and in figuring out your values is that philosophy? maybe. but does the necessity of philosophy justify philosophers?
to the extent that we have to "philosophize" we should aim to think as clearly, honestly and as precisely as possible. if we deny this there is no point in the activity in the first place. if there is no point to doing the activity properly there is no point to doing it at all. so we should be clear, honest and precise in our thinking.

now comes the philosophers. do they satisfy these criteria? does spending three years on nietzsche, hegel, lacan, deleuze etc really improve your ability to think clearly, precisely and honestly more than spending three years studying mathematics and science? I would argue no. I would argue that to the extent we need philosophy in society, continental philosophy does not help us in any way with this. in fact it is directly harmful.

>>17396416
>He doesn't reject truth, he just sees truth as the always shifting answer to an equally always shifting set of problems
that's rejecting truth in my book. especially when you use it to justify things like this.

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>>17353853
you can't think. facts don't care about your french "philosophy".

>>16404822
stuck up teenager convinced he's a genius fails at math and science. reads french and german philosophy to cope. rejects intellectual dishonesty. Sad! many such cases.

>>16165906
so true. they just don't believe in objective reality or intellectual honesty anymore. pro-tip intellectual honesty and a belief in objective reality is helpful when you want to actually accomplish something in the real world. Why? because facts don't care about your feelings.

>>15983359
all those guys are complete charlatans though with the possible exception of the spanish guy and peterson. you won't find any serious people engaging with them. only posturing, secretly intellectually insecure pseudo-intellectuals and academic frauds.

When did you realize that "scientism" being bad is just a meme created by continental philosophy types and literary "intellectuals" to try to cling on to their undeserved recognition, to be able to pass off nonsensical vague bullshit as deep and profound?
It's amazing how much better rational, actually intelligent, intellectually honest people are to pseudo-intellectual, continental philosophy "literary" types.

>>15654832
No we could pretty much show every single continental into a gas chamber and experience _ZERO_ adverse effects. In fact we'd gain quite a lot. we don't need "nothing noths" just as we don't need homeopathy.

>>15654506
starting with the greeks, only reading primary philosophy texts are memes. if you can't think, it's not going to teach you, just make you think you can. Sad.

>>15571109
>how well you have supported the key premises in your argument. I care how well you reason from premises to conclusions, and how you support your reasoning
leftists and continentals are directly opposed to this though. how can humanitiestards still credibly claim they're doing ANY of this? maybe you could 70 years ago.

>>15535183
intellectual dishonesty is at the very core of leftism. what group of people is more intellectually dishonest than leftists? on places like leftypol you'll find them straight up agreeing to collectively lying to further the cause.

>>15461938
read the entire canon again. still don't get it? sorry you just weren't smart enough sweetie. No I can't explain, you have to read 5000 pages to know what it means.

>>15456436
actual knowledge > ignorance > meaningless delusion that merely gives the appearance (you are here).

>>15343158
Rigour and clarity should be bedfellows, not enemies. Obfuscation is the first resort of the charlatan.

>>13246240
Convince me that continental philosophers aren't all charlatans.

Reading this crap makes my brain hurt.