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>i'm also saying that people's anger over being basically emotionally manipulated in this way
It's not merely emotional manipulation it's a reformation of our simulation. There's a new reality and it's from a foreign authority only a few decades old.

>we both know there's manipulation going on. i just don't see why the JQ has to enter into it.
The inherent manipulation of mass media isn't the problem, it's the exploitation of that institution by an illegitimate authority that has to lie about itself to maintain its position which has led to a totalizing transformation of America from a few decades ago. The Iraq War was a fraudulent construction of lies as is prime time television right now.

>how about...decadence, or exhaustion, or just being lost in the Gutenberg Galaxy?
There are many problems in America, but the media is the basis of our simulated reality and it's dominated by Jewish people. Since 9/11 this overwhelming influence has reconstituted the fundamental qualities of American life according to the particular individuals operating positions of central authority.

>the Chinese do state propaganda pretty well also
That's legitimate though.

>so did the West in the McCarthy era
To uphold American orthodoxy, whatever you may think of it, not introduce a new foreign reality.

>manipulation is a part of what we do, and it sucks. there is no argument here.
Foreign manipulation isn't merely manipulation though, it's wrong by the standards of everyone involved in this case.

> i'm not about go to full Woke on you but it does suck when people think nasty shit about you
What I'm saying is not nasty though, it's a very straightforward observation not driven by hatred but a genuine concern about the state of American life and its future.

>which is a game that *everybody* plays.
Yes but in the case of Jewish authorities in America it's illegitimate because it's based on lies and a form of manipulation that defies American moral standards. WASPs controlling Americans was legitimate, Han Chinese propagandizing China is legitimate, a foreign minority inconspicuously controlling people and lying about it is illegitimate in the case of America today.

>my answer: turn off the channel.
This might be discrediting, but Zizek makes a point about political revolution, "the day after." If there are occupy Wall Street demonstrations on Friday what people are doing Monday is what's critical. They're watching tv of course and they can't stop and the few who do are inconsequential because they ultimately conform to everyone else's perception which is based on centralized media authorities. You said it yourself our reality is simulated the source of which is tv and print media. It's unavoidably central as much as I want people to subvert it by abandoning their subscriptions.

>the guilt that leads to scapegoating is sentiment as fact.
I'm not scapegoating. It's not the Jews, it's particular individuals fraudulently occupying positions of authority.