/lit/ - Literature

>>8230903
>top kek
>>8231481
somehow you are ahead of the times even today
>>8231722
>the ubiquitous mutifarious perills and encumberances

absolute memedman!

>>8231797
what a nerd

>>8231826
good one

>>8231846
...and you know this how?

Let us rise above the topic at hand and talk about something completely different.

Who is the superior i/lit/erate memelord? Wallace, Pynchon, Joyce,... Or, well, ... Dostoevsky?

>>8218511
>I guess I could take the edgy anti-life thing in a more traditional nihilistic sense but combined with the justification they have for it, which is the "harm morality" which is a totally modern liberal type of thinking, and the idea that prevention of harm is the most important thing ever, that makes it all seem super weak and lame.

I swear you guys who criticize the book either skimmed over it or just zoned out/blocked out the passages you didn't particularly like.

>“Perhaps the greatest strike against philosophical pessimism is that its only theme is human suffering. This is the last item on the list of our species’ obsessions and detracts from everything that matters to us, such as the Good, the Beautiful, and a Sparking Clean Toilet Bowl. For the pessimist, everything considered in isolation from human suffering or any cognition that does not have as its motive the origins, nature, and elimination of human suffering is at base recreational, whether it takes the form of conceptual probing or physical action in the world—for example, delving into game theory or traveling in outer space, respectively. And by “human suffering,” the pessimist is not thinking of particular sufferings and their relief, but of suffering itself. Remedies may be discovered for certain diseases and sociopolitical barbarities may be amended. But those are only stopgaps. Human suffering will remain insoluble as long as human beings exist. The one truly effective solution for suffering is that spoken of in Zapffe’s “Last Messiah.” It may not be a welcome solution for a stopgap world, but it would forever put an end to suffering, should we ever care to do so. The pessimist’s credo, or one of them, is that nonexistence never hurt anyone and existence hurts everyone. Although our selves may be illusory creations of consciousness, our pain is nonetheless real.”

Portions of the above quote have also been posted >>8211879 and >>8214599

(btw, all the 4 or so quotes I have posted ITT have been from the Goodreads quote page, where you could find many of the criticisms to Ligotti's argument if you'd just bothered to press ctrl+f and the keyword -- e.g., "suffering" -- you were searching for.)

>>8200717
>>8200723