/lit/ - Literature

>>19044733
Explains basedness

>>18951677
>aionian
>where ‘their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.’
Unless God makes it so that the worm dies, and the fire is quenched.
>And the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side
The same Hades and Death that will be thrown into the eternal fire? (Revelations 20:14)

>>18951763
>How is punishing criminals unjust?
Because it is completely useless and flies in the face of all love. Love desires to have its beloved, it does not let the beloved suffer in its presence. And with God, all things are possible. Punishment without a rehabilitative purpose simply fails to see the purpose of punishment, and that is what eternal darkness and fire are.

>>18951785
False equivalence. Ideas of universalism are not the same as sexual promiscuity or adultery.

>>18952518
>Consequences of the fall.
How do we know this for fact? Or do we just conjecture, and what seems logical and unassailable is taken as truth? Tell me why being apart from God would be allowed to exist in the "healed creation," but the opportunity to be correct to God does not.

>Says who, a human with a fallen mind?
Then how can the church determine the truth, if it is all the deliberations of fallen minds? Is it not presumptuous to assume they have divine inspiration? Can the divinity of their ideas be proven?

>Who are you to say how God should judge those chose sin over Christ?
Who is anyone to say? And yet we say. But it flies in the face of everything we are told about God; it is not a matter of misgivings, but a matter of logical contradiction, or at least an invitation to reconfigure our understanding of God as a loving, purposeful entity that desires to see the sinner be saved. But we are given one, fallen, woefully short and misunderstood attempt, which we judge as enough. The will we use within this existence is judged as sober and powerful enough to meaningfully deny God. By whose authority do we judge that one can choose to deny God, or that one deserves eternal punishment for it? Can I not claim the same authority (ignoring whatever unfounded presuppositions you will cite or eisegete)

>That's why lying about it being non-eternal is extremely inhumane to people who could end up experiencing it.
Pascal's Wager is no way to live life by

>>18854793
>Forcible salvation makes God a rapist and free will a joke
But we are born into a fallen world, with fallen bodies and environments making us susceptible to certain sins. Besides, universal salvation doesn't have to be forcible; it could easily be a pruning or education of the person through or without Hell.

>why even believe and not go full degenerate.
People who do not believe or are too weak will, but those who love God will follow Him even if they aren't on a tightrope above Hell.

>Also why the Original Sin and the Crucifixion if everyone will be forcibly saved regardless of their will or actions
It doesn't "make no sense," I don't see your point here. Besides, your inability to find a sense in it doesn't mean that those things are rendered meaningless.