/lit/ - Literature

>>21516353
>MK-Ultra research
Read about Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple. At the time, this was a left-wing cult, but they moved to Guyana and established a commune, then shot a congressman who flew in to look into abuse allegations, then they drank poison. But the weird thing about it is that this place was loaded with large amounts of psychoactive drugs of all kinds (reported in the New York Times after the mass suicides). How did they get all of that stuff? From where? And nobody in the U.S. law enforcement or intelligence agencies noticed? Nobody has ever answered that question.

The book "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill about the 60s suggests that intel agencies experimented with psychoactive drugs in San Francisco clinics. If you follow the implication, the Peoples Temple was based in S.F. and then moved to Guyana, which happened after this MKULTRA program was shut down. Or was that program just moved overseas in a "controlled" environment?

>>21516478
>f you think you can’t have been conditioned to believe in at least some Big Lies, look at Marxist Russia, look at North Korea, look at Nazi Germany.
None of those regimes conditioned people to shoot up schools though. If I had to guess a reason for that, it results from a combination of a toxic nihilism and anomie that's particularly (although not exclusively) acute with white American men + easy access to high-powered firearms. It's not even the firearms themselves that are to "blame" but the void that these men have fallen into. That's just my vibe feeling. I can buy the idea that some men are groomed into this stuff by agents (to get them arrested) but I don't buy the idea that it's a control mechanism really.

>there are idiotic conservatives and conspiracy theorists, and there are sinister governmental forces who use these as scapegoats, and hence paradoxically might even be found tied to secretly fomenting them ... anti-vaxxers, election deniers, Trump voters, QAnon, White supremacists, the alt-right etc.
I appreciate this kind of thinking because it's "on to something" but it tends to go awry when it views the government as all-controlling. I think it's more complex with intersecting forces involved and it often results in disaster.

There are also political divisions and politicians try to exploit it to stabilize their rule. I 100% believe that there were people around Trump (although not necessarily the man himself) like Bannon... maybe Flynn (an ex-general in fact)... who wanted to instigate a domestic conflict between left and right as a way of trying to provoke the far left into radicalizing and to engage in violent actions, done via applied pressure by right-wing groups such as the Proud Boys and (briefly) what was called the alt-right. The plan was for the left to overreact and retaliate to those provocations, which would allow those guys to win over the center and stabilize what was basically a center-right but "realignment" government, and basically this plan backfired on them.