/lit/ - Literature

>>18363840
ATHENIAN: Our argument has done its level best: we have to consider
whether it has succeeded in its original intention of showing that our
defense of Dionysus’ chorus was justified. A gathering like that, of course,
inevitably gets increasingly rowdier as the wine flows more freely. (In fact,
our initial assumption in the present discussion of this business was that
such a tendency is unavoidable.)
CLINIAS: Yes, it is unavoidable.
ATHENIAN: Everyone is taken out of himself and has a splendid time;
the exuberance of his conversation is matched only by his reluctance to
listen to his companions, and he thinks himself entitled to run their lives
as well as his own.
CLINIAS: He certainly does.
ATHENIAN: And didn’t we say that when this happens the souls of the
drinkers get hot and, like iron in a fire, grow younger and softer, so that
anyone who has the ability and skill to mold and educate them, finds them
as easy to handle as when they were young? The man to do the molding
is the same one as before—the good lawgiver. When our drinker grows
cheerful and confident and unduly shameless and unwilling to speak and
keep quiet, to drink and sing, at the proper times, the lawgiver’s job will
be to lay down drinking laws which will be able to make this fellow willing
to mend his ways; and to do battle with this disgraceful over-confidence
as soon as it appears, they will be able to send into the arena, with the
blessing of justice, this divine and splendid fear we have called ‘modesty’
and ‘shame’.
CLINIAS: Exactly.
ATHENIAN: The cool-headed and sober should guard and co-operate with
these laws by taking command of those who are not sober; fighting the
enemy without cool-headed leaders is actually less dangerous than fighting
drink without such help as this. If a man cannot show a willing spirit and
obey these commanders and the officials of Dionysus (who are upwards
of sixty years of age), the dishonor he incurs must equal or even exceed
that incurred by the man who disobeys the officials of the god of war.

If there is no God, nothing is permitted.

>>16822326
>what is wrong with the claim
jay dyer's knowledge of neoplatonism is a single book about Plotinus (the Cambridge companion to Plotinus), your comment about "revealed X" literally makes zero sense since we literally believe the whole ordeal of all Platonising is to attain direct communion with God and Divinity, a communion all the major Platonists achieved. Except perhaps Simplicius since he seems to not talk about it.
We also don't just call Plato divine for no reason, he is our scripture. You assert an idea that begs the question since it presupposes the Jewish monopoly on prophecy and revelation, when we believe that the only thing that stops you from having mania is yourself. Not to even say that all beautiful art is inspired.
The day itself is direct revelation.

The likes and comments that he gets on his "reviews" is the main dopamine payoff he seeks, whatever he actually gets from the books is merely a bonus.
He's a drug addict, like you and me browsing the chans. Find a meaningful addiction, get away from here.

>>16277103
>But I controlled myself.
With the context of his other dialogues is the most important sentence there. Why control himself if either of Socrates and Plato were pro-gay? Socrates might have been 'bisexual' going by our sensibilities, but recognized faggotry's bad unnatural nature. One wants to get hold of beauty one appreciates no matter its form or whose it is, like appreciating Schwarzenegger's body in his prime, or soldiers following the commander, real male love has been destroyed past 70 years, what we now call 'gay' ought to be expected between friends.
Can also easily be a metaphor for getting a glimpse of his soul within, his flame. Since they looked into each-other's eyes.

>>16258362
no?
Plotinus wanted to establish a platonic polis, in no way does that also imply "by only using the Republic as a reference", or at all.

>>15992709
also, here's a symbol for you
In Symposium, at the end, read Agathon as literally being the Good himself. Connect this as Alcibiades being a corrupter of Good, and of the Good Virtuous Love that should be his love for Socrates and not the lustful one that he drunkenly has.

>>15281594
>>15282316
>Christianity

>>12300882
It's good at making you feel.

>You will never attend a symposium
>You will never be an aristocrat with enough free time and money to attend leisurely drinking parties with your ripped aristocrat friends
>You will never drink in an orderly fashion whilst discussing beauty and truth
>You will never be questioned by Socrates on why you have lived this way, and the reasons for your choices

Now I know why N-chan was permanently angry; because he missed out on being an ancient greek.