/lit/ - Literature

>>12705938
>only when we reject fantasy do we lock ourselves into a reality where the science can take advantage of our human weakness to the maximum possible effect.
there's some kind of incredible oscillation to this, in levels that we really are ill-equipped to talk about sometimes. it's one of the things i like about reading some of Wilber's earlier work, for instance; for him the grail prize was always the unfolding of consciousness itself. it's sort of Hegelian and sort of Jungian at the same time, which is interesting - and no Freud, no continental stuff. Wilber's favorite guys are Plotinus and Aurobindo and maybe it was because i read him early on that he made an impression on me that never quite went away.

it's certainly a less horrible subject to think about than teleoplexy, anyways. new age as fuck, no question, and there are certainly more Cool Points to be acquired shilling for Land all the time. but Land is a nightmare scenario also, and man cannot live on Deleuze and amphetamines alone.

>>12451361
with Land you get a perfect theory of the double agent, a kind of process he cannot defect from. it's why teleoplexy is sort of like Corporate Hegel, the Phenomenology of Spirit coming to know itself through capital as BTC. he's been writing this song for years, and now he's coming to the climax. bourgeois liberals are basically always a doorway to at least two nightmare scenarios: getting into bed with SJW madness, or becoming absolutely ruthless libertarians. Bitcoin Philosophy is as attempt to explain the latter, and the only reason it exists at all is Land's own contempt for the former. it's all pretty fascinating also because - owing to the nature of the internet - we can actually see why things turn out like this. why Deleuze loathed Hegel, for example, is harder to tell (although Badiou being a dick probably had something to do with it).

Peterson's Maps of Meaning, conversely, is Jungian Dialectics. Hegel without Hegel, or Marx, or anything else. i am ofc attracted to both of these perspectives, for a variety of reasons.

but Wilber is an interesting guy too - as you say, he's openly enlightened. he gave postmodernity a new term: Boomeritis. both Land and Peterson are in a way fighting over the corpse of Marx, in one way or another, and bringing their own armaments to the cause. Wilber never seemed to have been all that interested in Marx, or for that matter, Nietzsche. or even Freud. no doubt this is why the Integral Institute never really succeeded in blasting off, but from the perspective of today, when you see the things that actually *did* blast off, it's not even like failing to win at a rigged game is really so much a loss. and even if now the Bonfire of the Vanities that results in a lot of libertarian fantasies getting cleaned out - or forced to do the Walk of Shame - by Social Justice Inquisitions, if you really were a die-hard Marxist, you would have to conclude that this is, in fact, a frankly well-deserved outcome.

but it's always a portrait of the worst aspects of the human condition.

>>12451464
>It's like the Titanic is sinking, but everybody else are either trying to loot the cargo hold or first class quarters amidst the chaos, or trying to order another martini at the bar. Meanwhile, it's just the rest of the crew at the lifeboats, and they are all stuck there wondering where the hell is everybody?
exactly this.

>GRRM's problem is he's trying to make relative morality work in a world that actual Big Bad Evil exists, and I believe that is the problem he's struggling with and why Winds of Winter will never be released.
not so long ago i would have said a Big Bad Evil exists, and that it was Capital. but now it seems to have been more of a paper tiger. the brokenness of the world can take place without a BBEG. hence the love for Kefka, in a way: he's a product of experimentation, not a guy with a plan for World Conquest.

kind of makes you look at Cid differently, really.