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>>16056092
I think what anon tried to say was: "courting" someone into wanting to fuck you is to actually lose your virginity, fucking a prostitute is more like fucking a very sophisticated sex doll, you pay to make them into tolls not a person, ergo you're still a virgin because you didn't have sex with a person but only their body. Like almost fucking a corpse, there's no soul in it.
The same is true for fucking a gold digging whore.
You know what, if you've never had sex with someone in love with you who you're in love with, you're still a virgin.
Call it the 'true 5th base'.

>>15993124
>earlier dialogues
Gerson has objectively shown that it is almost impossible to date the dialogues or order them. And I don't remember the book but some PhD argued "recently" that Laws is Plato's earliest dialogue.
Plato has never praised carnal pleasures above the spiritual, perhaps read Phaedrus yourself.
Again for you illiterates >>15992709 the picture cites Republic, Symposium, Laws, and Phaedrus.

>Symposium: “All of us are pregnant, Socrates, both in body and in soul, and, as soon as we come to a certain age, we naturally desire to give birth. Now no one can possibly give birth in anything ugly; only in something beautiful. That’s because when a man and a woman come together in order to give birth, this is a godly affair. Pregnancy, reproduction—this is an immortal thing for a mortal animal to do, and it cannot occur in anything that is out of harmony, but ugliness d is out of harmony with all that is godly. Beauty, however, is in harmony with the divine. Therefore the goddess who presides at childbirth—she’s called Moira or Eilithuia—is really Beauty.

>Phaedrus: And whenever they are lying together it is completely unable, for its own part, to deny the lover any favor he might beg to have. Its yokemate, however, along with its charioteer, resists such requests with MODESTY and REASON. Now if the victory goes to the BETTER elements in both their minds, which lead them to follow the assigned regimen of philosophy, their life here below is one of bliss and shared understanding.
>If, on the other hand, they adopt a lower way of living, with ambition in place of philosophy, then pretty soon when they are careless because they have been drinking (Alcibiades behavior) or for some other reason, the pair’s undisciplined horses will catch their souls off guard and together bring them to commit that act which ordinary people would take to be the happiest choice of all; and when they have consummated it once, they go on doing this for the rest of their lives, but sparingly, since they have not approved of what they are doing with their whole minds. So these two also live in mutual friendship (though WEAKER than that of the philosophical pair), both while they are in love and after they have passed beyond it, because they realize they have exchanged such firm vows that it would be forbidden for them ever to break them and become enemies. In death they are WINGLESS when they leave the body, but their wings are bursting to sprout, so the prize they have won from the madness of love is considerable, because those who have begun the sacred journey in lower heaven may not by law be sent into darkness for the journey under the earth; their lives are bright and happy as they travel together, and thanks to their love they will grow wings together when the time comes.

>>15962627
Imagine the smell