/lit/ - Literature

>>12921770
he gives you the Panopticon as model for the society of control par excellence, among other things. this is a major thing to understand about Foucault: like Baudrillard, he isn't really a *champion* of neoliberalism, he recognizes as presciently as anyone that *you don't need Actual Fascism if you have soft power control,* if you have discipline and punishment. the people will discipline themselves. i never thought i would find myself saying this, but guess what? he's absolutely fucking right. if you read his Lectures at the College de France you can learn more about this. i know everybody thinks that because Foucault we have Judith Butler and the rest, but this is as uncharitable as blaming Nietzsche for the Holocaust or Baudrillard for simulation. yes, his politics were on the left, and he says all kinds of shit that basically is capitalized on by Facebook and other companies for the worst and most cynical ends. but he is also a brilliant theoretician of exactly the world we live in now. you can read Byung-Chul Han for critique of Foucault, and this is a good idea. but Foucault himself should also be read so that one can observe that all of the shit we hate about bullshit Meme World in which we live, he also saw. and you don't have to double down on his politics either. i don't know, i've spent enough time being a homer for Land on this board that i don't have a problem with Foucault anymore, maybe that's it.

if there is one word that comes to mind when you think Foucault, it's *discourse.* he is that guy for that, and that word revolutionized the academy, for better and for worse. thirty years ago, better. today, worse. but that's how it is with the theorists. and now it's time to move on. decades from now Land too will be seen as having been a man of his time. it's how it goes.

>>12921776
Michel Foucault

>>12921787
i agree on all of those names, is EBB Xenobuddhist guy? those are interesting papers. stick Justin Murphy in there too, he's done some good work interviewing people and written a couple of good things. i disagree that u/acc is the way to go, i think it's all about Land and when you're done wrestling with him, move on to something else. everything else is just watering down the deadly but necessary blackpill. also Reza. and Amy Ireland, who is the best /acc writer after Land himself.

>>9818256
>no shit
no shit

>>9818333
discipline and punishment cuts *both* ways. no one is safe from deplatforming today. not even sam harris. there's no reason to believe that if foucault returned from the dead like Jesus Christ meeting the Grand Inquisitor he wouldn't be told that the universities had already made a pact with the devil and as such he would have to preach his evangel elsewhere. because w/in societies of control, everything is always-already under control. and it always will be. b/c it will exist in a permanent state of retcon. don't want anyone to get triggered, you know.
>what a fucking world

Pete Seeger: Which Side Are You On
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XEnTxlBuGo
>which side are you on boy, which side are you on

foucault was an agent of chaos. but *what* a fucking agent. that's how it is with god-tier metaphysicians & critics.

>>9818418
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law

not my bag. fucked up may '68 and after french shit. the world's least pleasant or edifying conversation to my mind. pass.

weird sex shit: not my thing.
metacogntitive hijinx & prying the fingers of homo mimeticus away from his own throat in the age of late capital & apocalypse: my thing.

>tfw you were told to take a chill pill & this was good advice. now you shall take it & do something more productive w/your day than being a ridiculous memelord
>roger that. /lit/: neither soapbox & nor blog. just interesting

>>9764952
the supreme irony of this is that if Foucault were rehabilitated and wielded against the Cathedral and other things that keeps /pol/ awake at night he would overnight become one of their favorite guys.

a rightwing/redpilled Foucault would be a nightmare. it's not likely to happen, of course, because basically the whole project of poststructuralism was exactly that, to destructuralize. it criticizes that which is there in society. but in some sense i can't really see a reason why one could not use foucauldian/derridean thought against an academic culture which is plainly hegemonic. the issue would be that you would probably not be able to do it from within the university
>unless you're jordan b peterson

peterson is not likely to launch a petersonian school of *critique* because it is *critique* itself which is the issue under review. baudrillard sees it coming, land also. lots of others - but those guys are academics who live on that stuff. which makes their various turns and twistings in it interesting. both, unsurprisingly, wind up leaving academia.

peterson's thing is *self*-critique. so it makes sense that he draws on jung rather than freud and the old testament instead of marx. he's just so cool.

but foucault/lacan/derrida/et al are plainly not the enemy. the enemy is dumbness, decadence, narcissism, all the rest. ressentiment.

>>9764971
shit, there i go thinking i know things. working my way through the biblical stories & they're terrific. going to go listen to some of that stuff now. check back with you guys later