/lit/ - Literature

>>23405531
Any of Wagner's characters, in particular Kundry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NouRb2LczMg

>Weininger called Wagner 'the greatest man since Christ’s time', claimed ‘[U]nmistakeably the shadow of Ahasverus also falls on his Kundry, the most profound female figure in all art’, and crowns Parsifal ‘the deepest poetry in world literature’.

>>22076458
The three great works of Christian literature:

The Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost
Parsifal

Wagner was influenced by Milton's characterisation of both Satan and the Paradisiacal theme in his portrayal of Klingsor and Good Friday.

Did Wagner make the healing of Amfortas anticlimactic by placing a greater emphasis on Kundry's baptism (which he called 'the greatest thing I have ever written') and the Good Friday Music as the climax of the drama?

>>20937090
Parsifal.

>Liszt wrote in a letter: 'The sketch of Parsifal which Wagner read to us recently is filled and permeated with the essence of Christianity . . . I am willing to confess that most of our poets who are regarded as Christian-Catholic stand far behind Wagner in their religious sentiments.'

>Weininger called Wagner 'the greatest man since Christ’s time', claimed ‘[U]nmistakeably the shadow of Ahasverus also falls on his Kundry, the most profound female figure in all art’, and crowns Parsifal ‘the deepest poetry in world literature’.

>Hitler was reported to have said: 'From Parsifal I build my religion, a sacred service in ceremonial form without theological trappings. With a brotherly foundation of genuine love without any theatrical show of humility and empty formalistic babbling. Without those disgusting gowns and effeminate attire. Only in heroic dress can one serve God.'

Nur eine Waffe taugt:
die Wunde schliesst
der Speer nur, der sie schlug.

Because there's so much Wagner posting, and Wagner's poetry is something not often talked about, I think it would be a fruitful discussion. This is a thread for the many poems of Richard Wagner.

Denn Leben
und Leib –
seht! – so
werf ich sie
weit von
mir!

>>13091707
Yes and no. No, when read like a regular text. Yes, when functioning as a part of the whole of his art. Tristan und Isolde is sublime.

>>13091725
Pleb.

>>13092217
I have seen Parsifal, Lohengrin and Tristan und Isolde twice now. Absolutely masterful. Parsifal blew me away, as did Tristan und Isolde. Wagner also gets better the more you listen to him since you start to recognize the leitmotifs. If you go to a Mozart opera (for example) after being so immersed in Wagner's art you can truly see how revolutionary the man was. Mozart is a genius, no doubt, but Wagner's operas are something else entirely. Something transformative. For all of Nietzsche's ill-spirited critiques, he was right when he called Wagner a hypnotist.

>>13096483
Yes! I wish more people knew about this. People are disregarding Wagner just because of Nietzsche fanboyism. The truth is Nietzsche remained obsessed with Wagner (and his wife) for the rest of his life, and Parsifal -- well, suffice to say that he wrote all those vitriolic things about Wagner and about Parsifal, before even hearing ONE BAR of music. It was all based on the published libretto. He heard the music and was blown away.

>>8825554
>no India
O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?