/lit/ - Literature

How do you write at multiple levels like Plato (as Socrates) did?

Why are audiobooks so fucking expensive. I need something to do while I'm stuck on long commutes and audiobooks cost like $20 each. Fuck.

>>12343235
Pictured: world's smartest brainlet.

> Is there any greater or keener pleasure than that of sensual love?
No, nor a madder.
> Whereas true love is a love of beauty and order--temperate and harmonious?
Quite true, he said.
> Then no intemperance or madness should be allowed to approach true love?
Certainly not.
> Then mad or intemperate pleasure must never be allowed to come near the lover and his beloved; neither of them can have any part in it if their love is of the right sort?
No, indeed, Socrates, it must never come near them.
> Then I suppose that in the city which we are founding you would make a law to the effect that a friend should use no other familiarity to his love than a father would use to his son, and then only for a noble purpose, and he must first have the other's consent; and this rule is to limit him in all his intercourse, and he is never to be seen going further, or, if he exceeds, he is to be deemed guilty of coarseness and bad taste.

>>11036146
>Implying speech isn't the correct form of communication

Was he just plain fucking right and everything that came after is pointless bickering?
By this I don't mean the irrelevant shit about etymologies or ideal states. I mean about the soul and the philosophical life. About pursuing beauty and truth and directing your intellectual efforts towards the intelligible, and ignoring irrational human and material affairs.
I'm obviously no Socrates but I'm actively trying to follow this path. I don't know if I'll be immortal or anything, but I feel more at peace than I've ever been in my life.

>be an obnoxious faggot
>get executed
Greeks were okay desu

>leans into the mic
Plato, pull up that scroll where I talk about knowledge. No, the one where I'm with Glaucon. Man, what if we all lived in a cave and everything we perceive is like shadows from a fire? And if you got out of the cave and saw things as they are, people would think you're crazy? That's SO weird to think about.
>stares absentmindedly for a second
Did you see that Barbarian wrestler they brought from Libya last week? Dude, that guy is a fucking BEAST

>It's too bad I won't live! But then again, who does?
What did he mean by this?

It is not being seen because it is a thing seen but on the contrary it is a thing seen because it is being seen.

And a thing is not seen because it is visible, but
conversely, visible because it is seen.

Your face when you realize that Socrates is the origin of idealism? This is why you read the greeks, because they are the origin of every idea, they put forward the first seeds of all things that exist today - be it in abstract conceptual ways or in more formal and general (intelligible) ways.

Was he a pseud?

Hey, /lit/ i have an odd request.

Lately, I've been thinking on how I can do good in this world and I've come to the conclusion that I want to become like Socrates and help friends, family and strangers to learn how to think and how to realize their inner potentials.
So my question is: how do I achieve this? How do I avoid annoying others? Are there books on pedagogy/philosophy which could help me with this task? (I'm already rereading Plato's complete works so there is that).

Any contribution is appreciated.

To be is to exist

Therefore that which exists exists.

Then God existed and was inside Himself.

Socrates

>I know that I know nothing

what did he mean by this?

In the beginning was God.
Then ensued unknowable Chaos.

Search for truth from the point of view of this unknowable Chaos.
Once you've found the truth, contemplate it from the point of view of our everlasting God.

This is how you find salvation in this chaotic universe.

Anything on it's history, wars, what life was like, history of philosophers such as Socrates, Plato, Xenophon ect and their works.

Thanks!

>>9811898
>Socrates
what did he mean by this?

What makes a pleb a pleb?
Personally for me it is a general unwillingness to improve oneself, but I want to know more about what makes them so despicable.

>>9276638
I wouldn't know as it cannot be taught. Just be ignorant.

Wow, it's literally been 2400 years and no one has been able to defeat this yet.

Who was the original fedora?

socrates or at least plato's understanding of socrates, without a doubt. he practically "invented" philosophy, if you will, through merging the practice of the sophists such as protagoras and pre-socratics such as parmenides. i think the essence of socrates is his view of the presence of absolute truths in the world which we can come to rationally (pre-socratics), the possible endless dialogue we will have trying to fully grasp these truths (somewhat of a sophistic relativism), but that some responses in this dialogue are better than others whose deficiencies can precisely be shown through reason which can only be done by being ignorant.

>>8611641
plato's dramatic elements alone are enough to place him at a spot above aristotle. he's more than philosophy (or more precisely how most people view philosophy) if you pay attention to the dramatic aspects specifically at asking why plato's socrates says certain things in response to his interlocutors but moreover why plato makes socrates say these things.

>>8540891
But he looked pretty ok though, and if plato buttfucked him he must've been cute at some point