/lit/ - Literature

>>11932691
>where does spinoza fit into this dialectic?
good question. my feeling would be that he disappears somewhere between deleuze and land. but remember that land has *two* nightmares - one of Cthulhu, and one of Skynet. the Cthulhoid one i associate with Spinoza and the Skynet one i associate with hegel. one represents That Which Consumes - the schizoid, libidinal ego - and the other the terrifying rationality of a self-disclosing historical process which capitalizes upon this to bring itself into out of the future.

i have spent way, way too much time thinking about land. but again, this line brings it home:

>The true genius of cyberpunk is to cash-out the utterly alien into commercially-driven bionics (without in any way domesticating it).

and i know, i always use the same pic for this. but there's just some kind of mysterious synergy there.

so the "utterly alien" to me is how i read land's gestures in the direction of a spinozan nature-god that he is ready to extend all the way to the stars and beyond. but land - imho - feels about D&G the way deleuze felt about spinoza - in other words, deleuze's schizo-Spinoza (that is to say, Spinoza) is the primary metaphysical theoretician of the unconscious mind. one difference, however, between land and deleuze is the re-introduction of dialectics within capitalism, which is where i think the other nightmare-pole begins, that being a kind of inhuman time-traveling hegelianism (or teleoplexy). in a sense, anyways. land would probably find ways to make me look really stupid saying this, but i don't think it's so crazy. perhaps i'll talk to him someday and ask.

but in terms of the Cosmotech time-loop, spinoza is in there inasmuch as deleuze is in there, but spinoza does not figure so much for land, and i am probably more inclined to pay attention to land than deleuze, if only because he's a little nearer to the present day. and because historically the two-hundred year sequence that runs from hegel to land (and which, again, may be a kind of incredible return to hegel, although in a roundabout way) presents a kind of interesting and relatively discrete chronology of its own.

but that's what land's little precis on the meaning of cyberpunk refers to. or, even shorter - that capitalism is a computer which processes desire. spinozistic Deus Sive Natura does not lack for desire (or nietzschean WtP). land is grafting marx onto that process and comes up with a theory of cyberpunk aesthetics and metaphysics i happen to find absolutely stupidly "enjoyable" to think about. but he only gets there by way of D&G, who in turn leaned heavily on spinoza. so it's all on a continuum.

>>11932724
hola mi amigo

i mean i wouldn't object to your uploading a book that it is unlikely any of us will read anytime soon otherwise. but don't inconvenience yourself too much. you would only be doing it for the prestige points we award here. i would certainly be interested to read whatever you did scan.