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>So you would say that, if death were to be the end of life, then anything that happens to mortals is completely inconsequential because they always end up dead and oblivious in the end?

Fundamentally if there is no continuity in being and experience and no eternal essential nature prior informing the life, then meaning is impossible, and if meaning is impossible because its origins are nothing and end are nothing, then the consequences are arbitrary, thus the only valuation of actual value is the valuation of Will and life itself in the Nietzschean mode which is an adoration of life and will for its own sake as the origin of value/identity capacity, this however also can still be reduced to being arbitrary and ultimately inconsequential.

>If you did not believe in an immortal spirit, would it be okay to torture someone just because in the future they would lack consciousness?

Why not, other than the personal arbitrary values I hold, such as, compassion, empathy, personal long term prosperity, wellbeing, security and so forth, and if I did not value these, since valuing these is likewise arbitrary, then absolutely torturing and killing random people is inconsequential to anyone but my arbitrary whims and longings and even these will dissolve to 0.

>I would say that even if an experience is shortlived and may not be eternally remembered, it still matters in that moment.

Matters in what sense other than your transient little emotions say so? Your will and care for them will die with you.

>I don't think temporality and mortality nullify morality.

Why not, what is morality when there is no duty and no consequence, there can be no true duty based ethic without some form of essentialism, there can be meaningful consequentialism ultimately if the ultimate consequence always amounts to 0 in the end.

>From that perspective, it would be false to say that suicide "solves" having been born within the context of the consent argument, because even when the person eventually is dead those moments between his birth and death have still been forced upon him.

Again he’s gone, the memories are erased, there is no experience of this, those past events are as dead as he is.
Pic related: the wisdom of Socrates is slain by henbane if you hold to a materialist view and especially one that sees lack of existence superior to existence.