/lit/ - Literature

>>17389286
SOCRATES: NOOOOO IT HAS TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER IT CANT BE BOTH AAAA NOOOOO YOUR (((SOUL))) JUST ISNT REMEMBERING CORRECTLY

>A freeman ought not to be a slave in the acquisition of knowledge of any kind. Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to the body; but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no hold on the mind.
Structured compulsory schooling is a fool's errand.

>>17350235
>For the fear of death is indeed the pretense of wisdom, and not real wisdom, being a pretense of knowing the unknown; and no one knows whether death, which men in their fear apprehend to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good. Is not this ignorance of a disgraceful sort, the ignorance which is the conceit that a man knows what he does not know? And in this respect only I believe myself to differ from men in general, and may perhaps claim to be wiser than they are:—that whereas I know but little of the world below, I do not suppose that I know: but I do know that injustice and disobedience to a better, whether God or man, is evil and dishonorable, and I will never fear or avoid a possible good rather than a certain evil.

What did he say that was so profound?
Everyone always talks about him but never about his actual ideas. Is his name just a status signal?

What role did (egyptian?) mysticism and religion play in Plabros thought?

>Then let the wives of our guardians strip, for their virtue will be their robe, and let them share in the toils of war and the defence of their country; only in the distribution of labours the lighter are to be assigned to the women, who are the weaker natures, but in other respects their duties are to be the same. And as for the man who laughs at naked women exercising their bodies from the best of motives, in his laughter he is plucking “A fruit of unripe wisdom,” and he himself is ignorant of what he is laughing at, or what he is about;—for that is, and ever will be, the best of sayings, That the useful is the noble and the hurtful is the base.

>>17283427
I suppose there's a reason Ancient Greek statues constantly look like as if they're judging plebs.

>And, my dear Glaucon, we must evict all the poets from our Just society, so that they may not mislead our citizens to do evil.
>of course, Socrates
>Also, let's literally enforce a eugenics program based on some very dubious claims about nature vs nurture
>Very based, Socrates!
zoz

I plan to read Complete Plato and Aristotle in 2021, is it worth it? Do I need to read Illiad/Odyssey first?

>>17085050
>>17085074
Homer may not have interpreted Achilles and Patroclus as lovers, but based Plato certainly did

Indeed, my cave.

New to philosophy. Started with the Greeks as advised by this board, read Plato’s republic and it fucking sucked imo, I understand it and I don’t find it particularly difficult I just didn’t enjoy it. Are Aristotle and Platos other works any better? Should I just move onto other philosophers that I enjoy (from what I know of them) or will it pay off to read the rest of Platos work and start Aristotle.

>>17010577
Finished the Sophist dialogue. It was bretty good.

>>17012022
based debord reader.

>>16978517
Does this board count as success? Then pic related.
Succeeded and became popular only among pseuds that do fishing in an empty swimming pool.

>>16941096
>Single-handedly destroyed Hinduism and Buddhism. How did he do it frens?

>As to the exposure of children, let there be a law that no deformed child shall live. However, let no child be exposed because of excess population, but when couples have too many children, let abortions be procured before sense and life have begun.
Who will you listen to, a babyfaced jew or a an ancient Medchad?

Has anyone compiled a list of essential philosophy and which order to read them in? I own a copy of The Symposium and The Republic. I also own Critique of Pure Reason, but I feel like a lot of groundwork has to be done before reading it.

>plato thread
>retards sliding with love for democracy

>>16690384
>What are some pagan holy texts like the Bible?
The works of Plato.

Would Plato have been a Buddhist?

"Madness is a divine release of the soul from the yoke of custom and convention."

"Madness, provided it comes as the gift of heaven, is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings... the men of old who gave things their names saw no disgrace or reproach in madness; otherwise they would not have connected it with the name of the noblest of arts, the art of discerning the future, and called it the manic art... So, according to the evidence provided by our ancestors, madness is a nobler thing than sober sense... madness comes from God, whereas sober sense is merely human."

Homer sucks dick.

Poetry is a vasty inferior art form compared to prose that's overly formalistic and lacking in any deeper substance. Prove me wrong.

>>16451670
Yes. Trannies are disgusting. Always will be.
You're like the opposite of the form of poop, a gaping shithole that sees the world in your stench.