/lit/ - Literature

>>7547426
your stuff is pretty hard to follow, usually that's the best kind of poetry but it seems that now people want simplicity in their poetry. on the other hand short stories tend to conjure that rare type of reader that is willing to make an effort to re read and reconsider. I personallly just want to see what kind of narratives you would make keeping your generla style.

On the other hand when you go for pure theory it becomes too hard to know what is thesis and what is flourish. I like my continentals like any warm blooded anon but there is a limit to how much effort I put when lurking.

When I had your age Faulkner helped me a lot understanding people.Carver also helps a lot with that, seeing meaningful exchanges reduced to the most direct factors.

>>7525918
but maybe you do, please don't feel attacked, I was just commenting on the idea of there being any merit in just consuming media as if it were potato chips..

Repeating some recommendations I gave yesterday or the other day
>Roland Barthes
You can search for it and read The Third Meaning, it's short and a great introduction to film analysis. After that try to get Camera Lucida: Reflections on Photography.
>Michel Chion
Audiovision is THE book to understand and analyze sound in film, he also has a pretty comfy book about scripts.
>Andrei Tarkovsky
Sculpting in Time is a must if you're watching his films and it will help you see the medium in his eyes. It also has some good anecdotes about his work.
>Sergei Einsestein
He has four books, all of them great but the vital ones are Film Form: Essays in Film Theory and Towards a Theory of Montage, the second one will help you understand all those little things montage does that your brain gets even though you don't.
>Dziga Vertov
I can't find the books edited in english, I'm not sure if there are multiple compilations of his articles or anything in particular. His love for film and ideas will give you a crush on the man anyway.
>Stan Barkhage
There's a compilation of his different articles and classes. It's all awesome stuff, he goes into the more abstract power of image.
>Bordwell
I don't really like him but it's sort of the most basic and complete how most elements of film work. It's not a bible but a decent technical introduction.

And in general terms
>Vladimir Propp
You should at least read Morphology of the Folktale if you're interested in narratology.

>>6881446
not really because we can apreciate art from other cultures and times.

>>6881470
formalism fails to explain almost everything about art, it just exists to promote the absurd overprice market.

>>6881673
Kant also proposed that the only important part is the main narrative our head enters, solidified in following the line and ignoring the color in a painting. Then came impresionism and recked him.

>>6881940
It's intersubjective. A full culture can get the same reception of a work, for example think of greek temples and statues representing gods. Now we see it again and we understand what they saw plus the implications born from the pass of time. There is not a single absolute result to be found, but a general mass can agree on multiple things.

>>6682848
why are you angry, anon? I just bring love to the board.

>>6583500
Being lgbt shouldn't imply that you can relate to it. I really can't relate to /lgbt/, for example. It's not a hive mind.

>>6583631
No, I don't anon. I live in a country where transitioning means becoming a prostitute or working in theater, and I'm too shy for both things.

>>6472114
Me está gustando mucho tu laburo.
>Las urnas basálticas
Muy lindo para leer, aunque hay momentos en que te lucís de más y una linea hace quedar inferior al resto del verso o fuera de lugar. Por ejemplo "donde la diáfana linfa da lumbre" no puede ser continuado sin romper la ritmica, cosas así son mejores como cierre, creo yo.

El acid trip podría tener más cosas visuales. Con la forma que tiene ahora se sienten fuera de lugar las libertades que te tomás.

El tercero se siente más como un inicio de una idea que algo completo. Me parece que estos tres poemas están en un nivel descendente de calidad, o tal vez se sienten cada vez menos trabajados.
Tenés una estructura en el primer poema? Tiene lindo ritmo, pero me parece que podría redondearse un poco si quisieras.

>>6443627
There are many reassons to study narrations. For example our understanding of history comes mostly from oral testominies. By studying how people form narrations around facts we can better understand how that source could be actually relating to facts outside our interest. We can also see how certain information was codified in other places and get historical information from new sources previously ignored. A good example is when oil was starting to be a thing and the british crown sent "archeologist" to study the temples that were said to have eternal flames or were used to worshiping fire gods so they cool find natural gas. They took the legends and studied what was the real element behind the fabricated tradition.

>>6409896
Mh... how about a curated site with a bi-monthly best of selection? If we're not going for at least a dozen good stories every two months we might as well not do it.
ZWG had the problem that they tried to be good looking to an extreme, they had a pdf, an epub and another type of publication, and all three had issues with their design. They had half a dozen designers and a couple editors, and they gathered a lot of hate from rejected people. We could do better than that.

When you say curated, you mean in general terms "paying attention to what we put" or you mean selecting material from critique threads? I can see the second part end up in a lot of butthurt from people we don't select and being accused of being attentionwhore divas.

Well, in my country I know we have one buddhist monastery in the middle of the mountains that's really hardcore. From making their own food to doing their own clothing in that style they use, or keeping silence vows or shit like that. You have to pay to be there, though.

Also, my brother was daiting a really cute and homey girl. She turned out to be part of some sort of secular cult, a bit Osho but with no full afiliation. Really weird stuff, asking tons of money or calling in the middle of the night to know where you are and telling you to pray. He found out that her family was really expecting him to fix her and had high hopes that it could work. He was really freaked out to the idea that it could be one of those cults where the master gets to fuck the disciples or they get some orgies on. So he tried to make her read the roots of the tiny bits he got to hear about the religious aspect. They read the Tao and maybe the Atharvaveda (where ayurveda comes from).
But one day she suddenly had to travel to India with his master. Out of the blue, she had to sell some of her stuff to pay the trip. Still trying to make it work they arranged to talk in the telephone every day at a time that worked for both timezones. She insisted that it was a groupal thing and mostly women and whatnot. A week passed without a single call. The she calls and tries to explain that her master wanted her to marry some dude from the sect.
My brother hang up on her, I think he didn't even take the time to tell her to go fuck herself. It was a pretty big blow, more than anything because he had done a ton of work to make the relationship work, way more than he should had. The next year he was more in touch with the girl's family than she was, sort of wanted to get it on with the sister but didn't work out.

tl;dr: there are still sects that control your life, they are just more hinduistic than catholic and so weird you wouldn't believe they exist.

I think the main problem is that there is so much propaganda about cults. I grew up assuming that being in a cult equated group suicide, and before that I'm sure my parents must have though first of Manson.

>>6366885
I'll consider checking that, thanks for the rec.

>>6366886
Not really. If you can find Pistol Opera it's good, but I really tried watching Fighting Elegy (the synopsis sounded great, christian teens letting his repressed sexual desire steam off in a sort of fight club) and he just can't direct actors. It's worse than community theater.

>>6366904
Seconding Lynch. Blue Velvet if you haven't seen that, Lost Highway and Imperio; those three deal a lot with that otherness.

>>6366914
>Implying Lynch is some sort of director to analyze and not pure gut level direct symbolism.

>>6366919
No, it's just that film threads get some good posters to the light. Its a good excercise to express what you think about something without things like "like/dislike" or "good/bad". Give us a few more posts and it will turn into ugly cheap mindless discussions like always.

And people died 300 years ago because they didn't paint the monarch the way he wanted, no one is saying that a painting is more valuable than a human life (or just as useful to things like cleaning or working a farm). The value that people put on objects isn't the fault of the object, the author or the institution around the object.

>>6357502
You have to remember that the Mona Lisa actually became a "must see" painting after it was stolen, copied everywhere and maybe returned. It was a PR thing that made it, before that you didn't have to take a special line to see it with a guard on a say telling you to move after a few seconds.

>>6345698
Está bien, son cinco que he oido, me callaste la boca.

De Levrero leí La Banda del Ciempiés , Nick Carter (se divierte mientras el lector es asesinado y yo agonizo) y su Manual de Parapsicología; después leí por encima las otras que Mondadori editó en el boom. De esos unicamente el primero me gusto y probablemente haya sido porque su estilo me tomó de sorpresa, es bastante tonto en realidad lo que hace: continua sin parar la trama aunque signifique contradecirse y saltar de personajes e ir contra lógica. Parecido a Aira con su "fuga hacia delante", y ambos comperten el mal ratio de calidad.
El Manual es literalmente un manual de parasicología. Nunca lo terminé así que puede que haya fallado en entender algo pero hasta donde lo vi es como si juntaras comentarios históricos del tema y le dieras estructura. Rarísimo, no tanto interesante.

>>6340837
I'm actually a filmfag, I just prefer the academic side more. Through college I must have written a dozen pieces of shit that got filmed, plus another dozen just for script classes. It's more like a grocery list than real writing.

>>6334462
I'd sincerely like it. If you prefer it I can post my mail.

>>5949259
That's dumb, you could add Star Wars and Running Man to the list then. V for vendetta too.
If you've read both you should know there isn't even the same kind of authority mechanisms, it's completely different.

>>5899790
It really depends on the person. Some times knowing the context of the work adds an extra layer in the interpretation. Consider Goya's dark paintings. They are by themselves pretty impactful, but if you're aware of the situations they depict or the state the author was in when painting them it may add a deeper understanding. Even more, knowing his previous work you can see the evolution his style took and you can even notice details that you would miss if you don't know his work.
Everyone should try to be mature enough not to confuse the feelings they got from the work with the feelings the context gave, but pretending each work exists in a vacuum takes a lot away from them.

>>5694909
>think things are ever going to change
Things keep changing all the time, the issue is knowing how they were and where they could go.
Some interesting text tangentially related:
http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm