/lit/ - Literature

Ibn Arabi, based or cringe? I think it's a mix of both. He explicitly denounces crypto-Buddhist stances on union with God (Guenon and his Sufi initiator Ivan Agueli confused texts by Awḥad Al-dīn Balyānī with that of Ibn Arabi). He doesn't hate the world, the body, sexuality, or women (he had many female spiritual teachers). His cosmology is extremely fun and possibly even influenced Dante.

But he has a very cringe, banal, and proto-boomer take on the diversity of beliefs/conceptions of God. He literally states that people worshipping stones are still worshipping God, only in a more limited way. He claimed Noah caused the flood because he didn't see that there's still God in idolatry, and also that Pharaoh is saved. He thinks recognizing God in all things, while still knowing that God transcends all things, is so profound when really it's banal. Taking this seriously, rather than poetically, makes it difficult to apply moral standards to religion and to critique others in a substantial way. Relativist garbage.

When asked by a Sultan what to do with Christians, Ibn Arabi advocated for their harsh persecution, so it's not like he practised what he preached. On top of this hypocrisy is a epic spiritual presumptuousness and arrogance. Ibn Arabi is always making claims about his intellectual and spiritual superiority, while constantly claiming you shouldn't have any aspects of "Lordship" yourself, (ie you should be completely modest) to become close to God. He can't stop comparing his spiritual level with others (usually to denigrate them and say they're of a lower rank) and he believes he is the seal of Muhammadan sanctity, meaning he has received the fullness of the knowledge of Muhammad and no one after him will get knowledge of God directly from Muhammad. They will all have to get it directly from other saints/prophets, and only indirectly from Muhammad.

Ibn Arabi, based or cringe? I think it's a mix of both. He explicitly denounces crypto-Buddhist stances on union with God (Guenon and his Sufi initiator Ivan Agueli confused texts by Ibn Sab'in with that of Ibn Arabi). He doesn't hate the world, the body, sexuality, or women (he had many female spiritual teachers). His cosmology is extremely fun and possibly even influenced Dante.

But he has a very cringe, banal, and proto-boomer take on the diversity of beliefs/conceptions of God. He literally states that people worshipping stones are still worshipping God, only in a more limited way. He claimed Noah caused the flood because he didn't see that there's still God in idolatry, and also that Pharaoh is saved. He thinks recognizing God in all things, while still knowing that God transcends all things, is so profound when really it's banal. Taking this seriously, rather than poetically, makes it difficult to apply moral standards to religion and to critique others in a substantial way. Relativist garbage.

When asked by a Sultan what to do with Christians, Ibn Arabi advocated for their harsh persecution, so it's not like he practised what he preached. On top of this hypocrisy is a epic spiritual presumptuousness and arrogance. Ibn Arabi is always making claims about his intellectual and spiritual superiority, while constantly claiming you shouldn't have any aspects of "Lordship" yourself, (ie you should be completely modest) to become close to God. He can't stop comparing his spiritual level with others (usually to denigrate them and say they're of a lower rank) and he believes he is the seal of Muhammadan sanctity, meaning he has received the fullness of the knowledge of Muhammad and no one after him will get knowledge of God directly from Muhammad. They will all have to get it directly from other saints/prophets, and only indirectly from Muhammad.

this was a crazy read and i strongly suggest it to those who are interested in developing notions in Islamic philosophy

tl;dr >guy spawns alone on a island
>momma doe hears him crying and shows up to breastfeed himn
>he wants to be like the animals but hes naked tfw want mamma doe antlers
>she dies, so the kid chops into his moms corpse to see what went wrong
>discovers that life exists outside the body
>cuts open more animals, so he understands how organs come together to make a whole body
>this must apply to all of creation
>discover God
>practice a religion of eating small fruit and running around in circles

the most based man of all time PBUH