/lit/ - Literature

>>11299053

Ya i get what you're saying, but there's always a handful of artists who end up defining the whole landscape of art and what art means in our lifetime. If as an artist you are not one of them or not striving to surpass them or put yourself beside them, then you're shit out of luck. If you're not an artist you probably won't care.

>>11299070

Bouguereau it can be argued practiced a very sterilized version of what ingres and the others started, but eliminated almost any hint of national flavor or politics from his works, or any kind of moral teachings in favor of his ideal of academic beauty, mostly females/children of the most PURE and virgin category. But even while the impressionists hated him and for good reason his paintings are near flawless, there's maybe a handful of painters today who could even match his prowess. One of his first major paintings equality before death (painted when he was 23) and dante and virgil are stunning. I think he was really a victim of his time period and academic obsession which we've seen all throughout history.

I just have an itch to pick with these painters as i see what they're doing as an artistic dead end. And i feel personally, it could just be insecurity that there is a smugness that comes with having studied 4 years at the best Florence atelier or wherever they go. Painters are free to paint whatever they please but the moment you start showing in galleries and so on you're admitting you want to be apart of art history somehow no matter how small it is.

>>11299117

Ya you're a lot more knowledgeable then me and i appreciate this post, It can be hard to put all the pieces together, I think you're spot on of course, and it's actually sad because i feel as an artist that art has been rendered effectively near worthless. With the death of bourgeois class and really a leading intellectual society and the rise of the every day man and technology and so on, society no longer needs to sit and ponder on the next artistic movements or art in general. One of its biggest influences it had was political, well that's gone, who needs napoleon riding a horse when we can have 300 million people in a nation reached with a few ads on facebook or TV. The personal portrait, also effectively gone outside of the rich of rich or nouevue rich who think it'd be fashionable to have a hip pop artist do a portrait of them. I can go on and on but i mostly mean the traditional arts, lit is feeling this shockwave as well but its less effected i think. It's not so much that society has dumbed down as it is society has opened up and every single person is allowed to have a voice and an opinion that can possibly influence a lot of people. The worst part is your average artist thinks less and less about all these things then ever. Your ai wei wei types are the whose who of art now.

I'll shill one of my art pieces, i still have a long way to go though, writing is something that got me into art in the first place.