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>Socrates
refuted by the GOAT
>With Socrates, Greek taste changes in favor of logical argument. What really happened there? Above all, a noble taste is vanquished; with dialectics the plebs come to the top. Before Socrates, argumentative conversation was repudiated in good society: it was considered bad manners, compromising. The young were warned against it. Furthermore, any presentation of one's motives was distrusted. Honest things, like honest men, do not have to explain themselves so openly. What must first be proved is worth little. Wherever authority still forms part of good bearing, where one does not give reasons but commands, the logician is a kind of buffoon: one laughs at him, one does not take him seriously. Socrates was the buffoon who got himself taken seriously: what really happened there?
>6 One chooses logical argument only when one has no other means. One knows that one arouses mistrust with it, that it is not very persuasive. Nothing is easier to nullify than a logical argument: the tedium of long speeches proves this. It is a kind of self-defense for those who no longer have other weapons. Unless one has to insist on what is already one's right, there is no use for it. The Jews were argumentative for that reason; Reynard the Fox also — and Socrates too?
>7 Is the irony of Socrates an expression of revolt? Of plebeian ressentiment? Does he, as one oppressed, enjoy his own ferocity in the knife thrusts of his argument? Does he avenge himself on the noble audience he fascinates? As a dialectician, he holds a merciless tool in his hand; he can become a tyrant by means of it; he compromises those he conquers. The dialectician leaves it to his opponent to prove that he is not an idiot: he enrages and neutralizes his opponent at the same time. The dialectician renders the intellect of his opponent powerless. Indeed, in Socrates, is dialectic only a form of revenge?

neets eternally vindicated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5h7XkrQUyo

>Nietzsche himself drank only water – and as a special treat, milk or coffee.

>>22800053
>There they enjoy free dom from all social constraint; in the wilderness they make up for the tension brought about by long periods of confinement and enclosure within the peace of the community; they step back into the innocence of the predator conscience as jubilant monsters who perhaps walk away from a horrific string of murder, arson, rape and torture in high spirits, with equanimity of the soul, as if they had merely pulled some student prank, convinced that the poets once again have something to sing and praise for a long time to come. What constitutes the ground of all these noble races is the predator, the magnificent blond beast roaming about lustily after prey and victory; a discharging of this hidden ground is needed from time to time; the animal must emerge once more, must return to the wilderness:—Roman, Arabic, Teutonic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings—they are all the same in this need.

>>22685779
Nazism, fascism and communism all of them follow the herd mentality faggots

>>22696394
National socialism is the pure definition of herd mentality, faggot

>>22181989
>there isn't away out of this fucking cave, let me make a torch and explore this shit, maybe even build a fire somewhere else in this cave

>Perhaps back then - and I say this to console the sissies - pain did not yet hurt as much as today; in any case a physician could draw this conclusion if he treated Negroes (these taken as representatives of prehistoric people-) for severe internal infections that would drive even the best constituted European nearly to despair; - in Negroes they do not do this. (In fact the curve of human capacity for pain seems to drop extraordinarily and almost abruptly as soon as we leave behind the upper ten thousand or ten million of the super-cultured; and for my part I do not doubt that the suffering of all animals taken together that have so far been required to answer scientific questions at the point of a scalpel simply does not merit consideration compared with a single painful night in the life of one little hysterical educated woman.)
Is this true sissybros?

>>21880456

>>21698366
>Consciousness is a social construct... we have the capability to remove the genetic code responsible for conscious thought ... to do so would reduce suffering ... non-sentient humans demonstrate a 96% reduction in criminality and 34% increase in labor producti
This assumes that a current governance employs utilitarian ethics, whereas what I posit here >>21698208 assumes a culture of enduring myth and spirituality that speaks to humans and abandoning enlightenment philosophy as an obsolete project. For this to happen there needs to be a great crisis that shakes the very foundation of society in which the psychology of the last men and the herd are predicated upon, and imbue the new men with raw vigor and a faith beyond reason.

>>21695651
Straight into Nietszche, glance through a few pages, take /lit/ anons posts on Nietzsche as truth and then spread your butchered understanding as if it were Gospel

How do you not nap what you work out shortly after exerting yourself?

Hello lit I'm a newfag and I want to read the genealogy of morals, any good English translations? Btw if I wanted to read the Jewish version, I would have posted on Reddit so save it with the kaufmans k? thanks

>>21557513
based

>>21554256
>life is probably meaningless
>every crass simplification of the world into antagonistic values (true/false, beautiful/ugly,good/evil) will inevitably lead us to reject existence as false, ugly and evil
>only way out is to view the world through the eyes of an artist, who creates the very values that make life meaningful
>thus tragedy is the highest art form and most potent enchantment as it recasts horror and suffering as something aesthetic
>for our continued existence as a species it is necessary to create higher types of men who have the will to create great art and enchant existence once again

That's Nietzsche in a nutshell. Was that so hard?

>>21549723
value is what gives us will to live and stops us from Schopenhauerposting. It must be created and may be different for different peoples. For most of our fellow man, having enough bread and circuses is enough.

>>21549750
>how do I get idealism from a LITERAL PLATO'S CAVE analogy?

Ubermensch it is.

>Bro just like, stop being human
Wow thanks, I'm cured

>>20753455
Before you posted this I was already listening to The Cure as I was naked, but alas there is no woman around. What do I do?

>One of the most respected philosophers of his time, Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900) suffered from a variety of health problems. In an attempt to relieve his terrible headaches, stop his persistent vomiting, and improve his painful digestion, the thinker used a number of medicines and tried different diets.

>The one thing he would not give up was fruit, which doctors suspected to be the cause of his digestive discomforts. The problem was not the type of food Nietzsche ate, but the sheer quantity of fruit he ate. In addition to buying fruit at local markets, the philosopher is known to have received baskets full of fruit from friends in other countries. After breakfasting on a steak, the philosopher sometimes consumed almost three kilos of fruit in a single day.

>Why yes I am a nihilist, how could you tell?

>>20479330
What did he mean by this?

>>20476983
>muh realism
>muh evil
It's about blending the Dionysian and the Apollonian. Although few can do that without going completely insane

>>20467991
Too long didn't read. Fuck Marx.