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>>18785487

>>12681206
But it was his wife right?

nietzsche's styleguide, given to lou salome, and which he probably had in mind for zarathustra

1. Of prime necessity is life: a style should live.
2. Style should be suited to the specific person with whom you wish to communicate. (The law of mutual relation.)
3. First, one must determine precisely “what-and-what do I wish to say and present,” before you may write. Writing must be mimicry.
4. Since the writer lacks many of the speaker’s means, he must in general have for his model a very expressive kind of presentation of necessity, the written copy will appear much paler.
5. The richness of life reveals itself through a richness of gestures. One must learn to feel everything — the length and retarding of sentences, interpunctuations, the choice of words, the pausing, the sequence of arguments — like gestures.
6. Be careful with periods! Only those people who also have long duration of breath while speaking are entitled to periods. With most people, the period is a matter of affectation.
7. Style ought to prove that one believes in an idea; not only that one thinks it but also feels it.
8. The more abstract a truth which one wishes to teach, the more one must first entice the senses.
9. Strategy on the part of the good writer of prose consists of choosing his means for stepping close to poetry but never stepping into it.
10. It is not good manners or clever to deprive one’s reader of the most obvious objections. It is very good manners and very clever to leave it to one’s reader alone to pronounce the ultimate quintessence of our wisdom.

>>11249503
>suffering for some kind of esoteric sense of freedom is dumb.

Absolute state of /lit/

>>10564069
>Now Nietzsche opposed both the moderate and the extreme left, but he saw that conservatism had no future, that its fighting was a rear guard action, and conservatism was being eroded evermore. The consequence of this was that Nietzsche pointed to something which we may call the revolutionary right, an atheism of the right. Nietzsche is then the antagonist of Marx, whom he did not know at all as far as I know. Nietzsche produced the climate in which Fascism and Hitlerism could emerge. One must not be squeamish about admitting this dubious paternity. One must emphasize it. Every fool can see and has seen that Nietzsche abhorred the things for which Hitler in particular stood and to which he owed his success. Some liberals have gone so far as to claim Nietzsche for liberalism. Was Nietzsche not the intellectual ancestor of that great liberal, Sigmund Freud? This partial truth [however] must not be permitted to obscure the more massive and the more superficial fact which I have tried to point out.
t. leo strauss

your move
>

Been a few months since I was on /lit/

Are we still praising our lord and saviours Nietzsche, Harold Bloom, etc?

Have the dumb Peterson threads stopped? Bring me up to speed.

>>10119846
Maybe there's something you don't understand? I found it pretty consistent when I read it, his take on the subject (ascetic idealism) is quite interesting.

Make sure you don't read it over a long period of time, though. That might be your problem. With Nietzsche it's always better to plan ahead and try to go through the book as quickly as possible, so as to retain the entirety of it in mind while reading, instead of just popping the book open every couple of days.

The more I read him, the more I feel that he cannot be surpassed.

>>9896329
Now you just sound a normie, surprised you haven't said just b urself. What a crock of shit

>tells me I should clean my room
>has all of zero (0) arguments why

Petersons academic career in a nutshell

>Read Nietzsche because I saw all the /lit/ threads about him and wanted to stop being a /pol/ack
>Find out he was far more radical than any /pol/ack
>Follow in his footsteps

I'm really looking for stuff that's like "On Women", but even more brutal.
I know Nietzsche said something similar, but he mostly mentioned it in passing when dealing with other ideas.

>>9273224

>the New Left's infatuation with Nietzsche

I fucking WISH they were infatuated with Nietzsche.

He'd kick the Leftism out of them in no time.

>>9206103
>be five foot FUCKING ZERO tall
>make lifes mission to create logic system detached from the real life and without threat of confrontation

Gee I wonder why

Where do people get the idea that this guy was some freedom-loving individualist?

>>9027602

>Tfw I have all of Nietzsche's work, in book form, including the new edition of Will to Power officially released today

I'm willing to bet she hasn't read a single word of Nietzsche, beyond one or two out-of-context quotations on an image.

>>8973660

>''"There's no such thing as life without bloodshed," McCarthy says philosophically. "I think the notion that the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmony, is a really dangerous idea. Those who are afflicted with this notion are the first ones to give up their souls, their freedom. Your desire that it be that way will enslave you and make your life vacuous."'

Has this guy been reading My Guy™?

This is very Nietzschean thinking. A flat-out rejection of the Enlightenment Last Man.

>>8891771

>I think it's ironic though, Nietzsche's the kind of guy (rich upbringing, sensitive, philosopher for a living), who owes everything he is to the way the State exists, and wouldn't last two days in some sort of tribe or wilderness.

I'll invoke Schopenhauer to defend him here:

>"It is therefore just as little necessary for the saint to be a philosopher as for the philosopher to be a saint; just as it is not necessary for a perfectly beautiful person to be a great sculptor, or for a great sculptor to be himself a beautiful person. In general, it is a strange demand on a moralist that he should commend no other virtue than that which he himself possesses.

>I think he romanticized war and glory exactly because he only read about it from his isolated, academic life. He would shrink from the realities if he was in one.

On the contrary, he was an up-and-coming cavalryman for the Prussian Army in his early 20s, prior to sustaining the injury that would plague him with ill-health for the rest of his life.

>In 1867, Nietzsche signed up for one year of voluntary service with the Prussian artillery division in Naumburg. He was regarded as one of the finest riders among his fellow recruits, and his officers predicted that he would soon reach the rank of captain. However, in March 1868, while jumping into the saddle of his horse, Nietzsche struck his chest against the pommel and tore two muscles in his left side, leaving him exhausted and unable to walk for months.[32][33] Consequently, Nietzsche turned his attention to his studies again, completing them and meeting with Richard Wagner for the first time later that year.

>>8882602

>He praised a quiet life of moderation free from attachments and even riches as best for writers and thinkers.
>Reads "Why I am so Clever"/etc once, and doesn't appreciate the irony

Nietzsche praises the quiet life of moderation/etc with respect to HIMSELF. He does not prescribe them as a one-size-fits-all panacea. Look at the titles: "Why *I* am..."/etc. He's saying what works for him. He does not entitle them "How to be so Clever"/etc.

Similarly, in the Genealogy of Morals, he notes that poverty/chastity/etc are not 'virtues' - but merely the conditions in which a large part of philosophy has thus far come to be. They are not prerequisites for philosophy per se, but only a specific type.

>He also heavily experimented with ascetic practices, diets, exercises, etc., in an attempt for better health.
>in an attempt for better health

Which is NOT what asceticism/etc is about. More to the point, asceticism is almost invariably HARMFUL to one's health - from a physiological point of view, if nothing else. This is highly significant with respect to Nietzsche, who did not believe in seeing the physiological/psychological as totally distinct Cartesian dualities à la body/soul and so on - but that they were one in the same, completely interdependent.

Nietzsche's experiments with diets/exercise/etc were nothing more than what they appear to be - attempts to obtain better health, rather than spiritual/philosophical ascetic practices. This comes as no surprise when you realize how shit his health was.

>>8883295

>It never will happen because people instinctively shy away from anything that reminds them even vaguely of eugenics.

Sadly.

Luckily, the eugenics taboo is beginning to fade. Until recently, for example, a lot of Brits didn't realize that practically every Downs Syndrome baby is aborted in some Scandinavian countries. This sparked a huge debate. Similarly, on the 'life' side of the spectrum (as opposed to death), we have 'designer babies'/etc now.

Likewise, euthanizing the sick/disabled/etc (depending on degree) is becoming increasingly acceptable.

>2016
>Bothering with any philosopher beyond Nietzsche
>Bothering with the French pseud-hacks who ripped him off whilst disregarding his most important/challenging and offensive (to Liberal/Western/Enlightenment sensitivities) ideas

Really...

>>8855151

>Rousseau
>Mill

Yeah, you're a true Last Man.

>>8827262

Nietzsche hated journalists and newspapers for a reason. I personally take his word for it - especially now that the fusion of news and entertainment is complete.

>>8803159

>you don't throw retard babies to the wolves

More's the fucking pity.