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>Engels really said that
This is how you know Marxists are full of shit. They're doing sophistry to deny the fact men have agency by saying man is purely a product of their economic cirumstances. They don't seem to think that genetics would play a part in this; which is why they are quick to deny the biological aspect of man, his natural instinict to be egotistic, to defend a theory that unironically contradicts itself when it clashes with Marxist reality. If you make the argument that morality is a produt of economic relations; then you can not make the voluntarist arguments for revolution that Marxists make. Your own argument would imply that humans do not have the agency to change their economic cirumstances because economic conditions would decide what is possible. To call for revolution would mean you deny that economic conditions determine what drives system change, and not human organization.
You can not combine this form of economic determinism with historical materialism, and have the theory be cohorent with vanguardism or any form of concious economic change, and have it be consistent. Otherwise, you would be admitting Marx's theories are untestable gooblygook since he would be admitting the contradictions of capitalism would naturally lead to communism by its own reality. Which would make sense since sociology largely is not even a science because it has no control variables making replication of data without confounding variables.