/lit/ - Literature

>Aristotle: "Comedy is, as we have said, an imitation (depiction) of characters of a lower type, -- not, however, in the full sense of the word bad, the ludicrous being merely a subdivision of the ugly. It consists in some defect or ugliness which is not painful or destructive. To take an obvious example, the comic mask is ugly and distorted, but does not imply pain."
Poetics, V.

"To prove that pleasure is not a good at all, it is argued that:

(d) Pleasures are a hindrance to prudent deliberation, and the more so the more enjoyable they are; for instance, sexual pleasure: no one could think of anything while indulging in it."

"Also bad men constantly seek the society of others and shun their own company, because when they are by themselves they recall much that was unpleasant in the past and anticipate the same in the future, whereas with other

people they can forget. Moreover they feel no affection for themselves, because they have no lovable qualities. Hence such men do not enter into their own joys and sorrows, as there is civil war in their souls;

one part of their nature, owing to depravity, is pained by abstinence from certain indulgences while another part is pleased by it; one part pulls them one way and another the other, as if dragging them asunder. Or if it be impossible to feel pain and pleasure at the same time,

at all events after indulging in pleasure they regret it a little later, and wish they had never acquired a taste for such indulgences; since the bad are always changing their minds."
Nicomachean Ethics, 1166b

"Also bad men constantly seek the society of others and shun their own company, because when they are by themselves they recall much that was unpleasant in the past and anticipate the same in the future, whereas with other

people they can forget. Moreover they feel no affection for themselves, because they have no lovable qualities. Hence such men do not enter into their own joys and sorrows, as there is civil war in their souls;

one part of their nature, owing to depravity, is pained by abstinence from certain indulgences while another part is pleased by it; one part pulls them one way and another the other, as if dragging them asunder. Or if it be impossible to feel pain and pleasure at the same time,

at all events after indulging in pleasure they regret it a little later, and wish they had never acquired a taste for such indulgences; since the bad are always changing their minds."
Nicomachean Ethics, 1166b

"Also bad men constantly seek the society of others and shun their own company, because when they are by themselves they recall much that was unpleasant in the past and anticipate the same in the future, whereas with other

people they can forget. Moreover they feel no affection for themselves, because they have no lovable qualities. Hence such men do not enter into their own joys and sorrows, as there is civil war in their souls;

one part of their nature, owing to depravity, is pained by abstinence from certain indulgences while another part is pleased by it; one part pulls them one way and another the other, as if dragging them asunder. Or if it be impossible to feel pain and pleasure at the same time,

at all events after indulging in pleasure they regret it a little later, and wish they had never acquired a taste for such indulgences; since the bad are always changing their minds."
Nicomachean Ethics, 1166b

"For the potentiality is prior to the actual cause, and the potential need not necessarily always become actual. On the other hand, if the elements exist potentially, it is possible for nothing to exist; for even that which does not yet exist is capable of existing. That which does not exist may come to be, but nothing which cannot exist comes to be."

Metaphysics 1003a

How can something that doesn't exist be able to exist but something which is impossible come to existence? Wtf?

>>19420845
This >>19420860


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_os-ysZJM_I

Poetics and rhetoric or Nicomachean ethics?

>"Palindrome" isn't a palindrome
fuck this gay earth

Joyce was a Chaeremon's Centaur. Change my mind.

>>16286739
>be the greatest philosopher ever
>also the first true scientist
Plebs, science is natural philosophy, a necessary subsection. Sociology is pure sophistry though and should be disregarded.
>>16286807
Sociology fails both rationally and empirically

>>16031288
Nigga

How much of the greeks should i read before i should branch out a bit? ive read some chapters in the nicomachean ethics, very interesting stuff, but id like to check out something more modern. Nietzsche for example. And inbefore "when you're ready", i dont know what qualifies as ready, hence why im asking. Also, aristotle thread i guess.

Who are some good examples of a eudaimon? I want to reach this level of being one day.

>>15867255
Art is imminently more true than history.

>>15783522
Obviously Lattimore anywhere you can.

Aeschylus is the best, but start with Sophocles who is second best, and only read Euripides after reading all of the two prior. They all have their own value of course, sine being the three great tragedians, but you can still rank them. Start with the Oedipus trilogy by Oedipus, and read the rest of him, then read the Oresteia by Aeschylus and the rest of him and so on. But I'd advise you to read Homer and Hesiod before anyone, and then Aristotle's Poetics(considering that you've read Plato and this is your first Aristotle work; it's also an extremely enjoyable read) and then the Greek tragedies.

I also miss the lost plays, same with the lost epics.

>>15349231
>>15350856
And again to make clear a point I don't think I did other than in brackets, this problem commonly relates back down to a liberal individualism, in contrast to a Platonic necessity, a necessity of the good and the true, and of the beautiful and so forth. And this is why the philosophy of modern leftism so overly not necessarily obfuscates, but complicates presuppositions which are clearly wrong with some sense of otherly-necessity. Their arguing is impeccable if you fail to see the unreasonably and unfounded propositions throughout their work. And so the only value in these Frankfurt types is found throughout their work, like the sense of a secret conservatism found in Adorno's work, but never in the work on the whole, or its ends at all.

>>15156200
>reading a play
>implying

>>14734561
Just follow this:

Sure, if you want, or read Plato's FIve Dialogues(includes the trial and death). Either way read one of them first. Then you can somewhat scroll around before you start any of his later more difficult dialogues. In this period you can read something like the Symposium or Philebus, Cratylus, Phaedrus, Ion and the likes. Just reading around and enjoying his works. Once you've assumed a fair reading you should read the Timaeus/Critias, then Parmenides, Theaetetus, Sophist, Statesman and Laws. I might be missing one of the dialogues generally considered essential to this later stream but I think this is them.

Then reread The Trial and Death of Socrates, Republic and Timaeus.

During reading Plato you can start to look into the pre-socratics and the history of Greek philosophy. And probably best to read the fragments of people like Tales, Parmenides and Heraclitus (with secondary if you want,) before the first reading of Timaeus. Read Homer and Hesiod(at the very least the Works and Days) somewhere in this as well. For Pythagoras I would highly recommend you get the Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library. Well worth looking into Orphism as well, whether it's effect on Greek culture was as large as some say or not, a book commonly mentioned for this is Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism but the writer has mystical biases. Sappho is one of the great poetesses of history and as far as I know "If not, winter" is the best translation/collection of her works. Just be sure to also look into the nature of poetry while/before reading any of Greece's so get a book that introduces the basics of poetry such as the Poetry Handbook by Lennard, which served me well.

After/during my mentions you can read Aristotle. Poetics is a very good work to start with, acting as a springboard to the Greek tragedies of which you should at the least buy the Oresteia and Theban plays but really all of them are worth reading. Find a translation of that for yourself. After Poetics you should read the Organon or at least some of it then Nicomachean Ethics and Politics. At some point through reading Aristotle's works you can read the Physics and Metaphysics.

Also read the miscellaneous and historical works like Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon, The Anabasis of Alexander, Parallel Lives by Plutarch, etc.

It's a worthy effort to at least dip your head into learning ancient Greek just for the poetry alone. Though when you do start with the Romans I'd recommend you skip most of their poetry and literature until you know some of the basics of Latin and are more educated generally, which means maybe really getting into them another time. Their philosophy and history however you should be fine to read.

Can I start with the Poetics?

Will Durant---The Philosophy of Aristotle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn89Jdp4mc0

What books do you recommend from other unironically autistic philosophers aside from Aristotle?