/lit/ - Literature

>>12037114
teh basedness
>based &c
also based.

>One must choose their tunnels in the rabbit hole mirror labyrinths, eh guacho?
si mi amigo. esa es la verdad.

shyeah boi. ah, i love that picture so much, When You CHIM Just Right. captures the vibe of all of this so well, bravo sir. & looks good on you.

i just think that between you, me and Aminom we have some of the parts and pieces to Solve For Postmodernity in unironic ways. not in time to prevent the world from melting down under its own mimesis and hyperstition; probably much more like a final-scenes-of-Fight-Club kind of way, born too late/too early/just in time to watch the world burn kind of thing. i'm deeply sad about what i think the trajectory of things are. i feel Han quite intensely on Burnout. and yet there must also be life after Burnout.

in general it's all a very Vinegar Tasters kind of vibe. if Uncle Nick is right about BTC - and i think he is - then a kind of nondual human praxis that follows from it based on Space Taoism, Zen Acceleration, or Mystiko-Platonism all dovetails very nicely, imho. an *Escher*-compatible ethics, or metaphysics, is basically what i want to say about Girardian politics in general, the paradoxes of scapegoating, the futility of This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things, and fundamental mimesis and transformation over time. all i will ever drive from Uncle Nick's book is a reinforced belief in the fact that the world is fundamentally positive, and people fundamentally good. which is a tall order, after you've dragged yourself over the shredded-glass-bottomed wasteland of continental philosophy. as the Chinese proverb goes, and ty Amy Ireland for tweeting this:

>The sea of bitterness knows no bounds; turn back, the shore is at hand.

More poetically sung here:

Johnny Cash: Sea of Heartbreak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkfuAx0l3yk

i'm a softy at heart. but the point of all of this is not only to schizo-ramble purely for its own sake. i have something like 29K of words exploding in a word file, in a doomed attempt to summarize and condense my thoughts on this thread, and the condensation is not working. it's *growing,* if anything. the cruffitan liveth. but reduced to a tooth-rottingly saccharine hashtag meme, it's not MAGA but MEGA: make *everything* great again. it's cringe, but i'll bite the bullet on that one and be the guy who says cringe things, i've said enough so far and one more won't kill me.

it's a good day mystikos. it's another one of those good days. it's a good day for the Glass Bead Game. this has been so great. it's just all been so great.

>>12029312
that is genuinely fascinating AM.

i'm sorry it caused you as much suffering as it did. my hope is that it will have been worth it, and that you are in a better place now. as far as i'm concerned, ST well and truly lacks for nothing. i'm a big fan of this image, of the Vinegar Tasters, and i've posted it quite frequently in these and other threads. once upon a time, perhaps in a different life, i might have tweeted out the School of Athens instead, but the world is a different place now than it was then, tho it may yet be again. and so whatever i wind up contributing will i think just kind of go with some of what i like about Space Taoism, which is really a supreme contribution to have made to these threads and as based as it gets. a lot of great things - art, philosophy, the rest - tend to come out of extreme suffering. whether it's Nietzsche, the Ultima series (4 mainly, tho also 5), or Space Taoism...life - whatever it is - seems to just work like this.

so i am a very large fan indeed of Space Taoism, even moreso now that you have shared some more of how it came to be there in the first place. i have some of my own thoughts that i will post in a later thread about this, once i've condensed them down a little more. they will have the same relation to your ideas that the Vinegar Tasters have to each other, in a way.

>My extended self would merge with myself in a manic psychosis of extreme degrees, an explosion of creativity and ever-changing delusions not bound by any rules. The seeds of Space Taoism came from this chaos, and I have been following it ever since, through a bipolar rollercoaster of depressive hells and euphoric heavens, an adventure of ideas and dreams.

i have some experience with this. not as intensely, i think. but some. i don't suffer from anything interesting to a psychologist, but i've mos def had my share of depressive hells and euphoric heavens also. i had hoped that continental philosophy would be good for them, and in a way, it has been - mostly by making the darknesses even darker and the brightnesses brighter. what was once a Great Fog clears enough to show some deep abysses and also some absolutely cozy mountaintop views. Terra Incognita...

>My life during the last 8 years is in every sense a struggle to resolve this dialectic, and my psychological make-up is reflected extensively in my perspective.

if this isn't the truth. well AM i think that perspective is cool as all hell, and - emphatically - Fuck Yeah Space Taoism. it's wonderful stuff. muchas gracias amigo.

>>12029353
>>12029362
>>12029365
obv i'm not Nyx. and i'm still not sure if that was JM or not. would have been cool. let's say it was. i mean, who's gonna know?
>fufufu *i* am justin murphy
>what a reveal that would be
>sadly it is not so
>b/c i am ofc adlai stevenson from FF6

no more speculating on me plz. not when we have daily new Uncle Nick and so much else to speculate on. eyes on the ball.

what a day this has been, yowza.

it doesn't seem to me that he would respond to attempts to naturalize and biologize him in any way different from attempts to naturalize and biologize the rest of the world. it wouldn't surprise him, and i don't think it would make him want to change his mind either. and if someone brought a cognitive scientist's version of Kant to bear on him i get the feeling he would go back inside his little cottage and read Holderlin in a shitty mood until that person left.

idk. it just seems like Heidegger would be able to talk about the unfathomable depths of Kant's soul in his preferrred language as much as Kant would be able to do the same for Heidegger, and Hegel variously for both. who's fundamentally right? they all are.

kind of a meme answer i guess but that's my sense.

>>11955988
>The metaphysical implications of the fundamental theorem of calculus is that both reference frames of change are parts of the same non-dual whole. This is also the foundational insight of Daoism, with the Dao being the process of reality itself, the way things come together while still changing. This insight came from the observation of worldly change, and while Daoism does contain some errors it corresponds closely to the implications of calculus because it came from a careful inspection of consciously perceived change.

i read the Tao Te Ching pretty often also (although you wouldn't know it, given the way that i post). it rarely fails to persuade. the Analects now and again too. i like that Confucius is, at bottom, an ultimately warm-hearted man: without humanity, without compassion, without sageliness, there is no Way.

but this idea, of epistemology and ontology woven into each other like a yin-yang, oscillating and reversing, a perpetual state of enantiodromia...it just seems like a natural truth about the nature of the universe. Hegel/PoS is without a doubt one of the wilder books in the history of philosophy, and so it's not like Cosmic Nondualism is limited to the Eastern perspective, nor is it to be forgotten that however one might say that Heidegger is only putting forward what the East has known for millennia, still, Heidegger does it with some incredibly awesome language and precision. Hegel also.

>In the memetic singularity Eastern and Western insights into the nature of change will come together, and by necessity catalyze an individual and social transformation of our relationship with change itself.

this is my hope too, i think. that we will get able to get the best of both worlds, in a way, an integrate them into a real platform for human understanding of a lot of things: the self, others, the world, time, technics, history, and much else. it's why i liked what YH said about the Qi-Dao relation - or, for that matter, why it is that Laozi and Confucius (and the Buddha) also, manage to get along so well, as the Vinegar Tasters show. they're all looking at the one phenomenon. but such a syncretism is not limited to the East, either: just look at the School of Athens. the West can throw quite a party of its own too when it wants to.

>Following the discussion about questions as vectors of desire, consider that the Dao means "way" and "path." The symbol of this neo-Daoism will inevitably be the integral symbol due to its similarity to the yin-yang. Its praxis will consist of mindfulness meditation and practices to cultivate awareness and the instantaneous mode of consciousness, and methodological questioning to cultivate self-authorship and effective action. Described here only as a bare sketch, it will be the ultimate self-improvement system, theory inseparable from praxis.

to me at least this is why i have so much love for YH and Cosmotechnics. machines and technics are important, but so is the psyche.

>>11886600
meanwhile, in another land, far far away...

true, the West has been leading the dance for a long time. but it's a dance too crazy to keep up with. and it burns you out.

>kek that's because you're not hardcore enough girardfag. you can't keep up
>that is true inner self

>>9673708
>Fuck Folk Politics on the left and right. Zionism, White Power, Black Power, Christian Fundamentalism, ISIS, Alt-Right, Rad-Left whatever. It's all just a narative of lies about the exceptionalism or the oppression of one subset, from within that subset.
Yes. But - and this seems to me to be the hardest part, and where I have to go back to sage Chinese ethics scholars - to my mind the real winrar move is to be able to *make room for the exceptionalism of the other* and *still maintain the balance.* It's hard. It may be impossible. But I don't really think there is an alternative, in a certain sense, except total fragmentation. Dem vinegar tasters. That's my stuff right there.

Now Moldbug talks about neocameralism and patchwork, and this does make sense to me, but I'm not all-in on that yet either. Nick Land of course likes this as well: basically, they will argue, if you wish to conserve the principle of sovereignty you have to let the economic process determine the form of government and not the other way around. This is popular right now because clearly trying to mold government (or academia) to follow economics is not working and the social malfunction we are seeing is a reflection of this.

But throwing in the towel doesn't feel so good either. Hence the Peterson Cometh. Or other guys, of course, he's just an interesting figure in the humanities. His readings of Lacan, Foucault, Derrida and so on are uncharitable and weird but all of this belongs to my mind to intellectual history.

>The only types of Folk Politics that have any revolutionary potential are those which are fundamentally already synthetic and have very expansive self-deception.
Yes, this is true.

>Pan-Africanism, what a concept! A whole continent of thousands of cultures, joined into some new Folk polity? Same goes with the Latinx movement, of folk identities based on multi-ethnic realities. Feminism, especially the radical side with Cyber-Feminism and Xeno-Feminism has potential in it's profusion of new sexual and gender identity, it's productive and experimental approach to identity creation.
But if we ("We?") give credit to these things, then other things have to be given credit as well...which includes Richard Spencer or whoever. After 2016 I am now withdrawn from the credit-giving business. Trump was fascinating to watch but to me politics are downstream from metaphysics now. It's just better for my ulcer.

I don't know about Cyber-feminism and Xeno-Feminism, or how much the profusion of gender identities are going to help things, but there's only so much time to read in a day. Land thought feminism was a thing. Maybe it is. Xeno for sure as fuck is a thing.

>Still, these forms of bizarre folk politics are only provisional. I see them headed towards schism, it's their experimental nature, their out-right flimsy sense of reality, that demands innovation.
Yes. Innovation is a good look. D&G fucking crushed it out of the park.

In a perfect world, this picture might describe the relationship of the economists, the physicists, and the philosophers. Physicists discover stuff, economists put it into public use, philosophers...uh...

Look, they do *something,* okay? I'm almost positive they do something. It has something to do with economics. And sort of with physics...sort of. At least that's the idea.

>they're lube, girardfag. psychic lube
>nooooooo
>look into your heart you know it to be true. esp if they don't study science or economics or philosophy of mind to go along with the continentals
>well i guess that's only fair. we do fight the boring darkmagic of positivism
>kek get rekt scrub positivism is the truth
>that's just, like, your opinion man. anyways eat peterson memes
>aaargh or something