/lit/ - Literature

>>23074324
>wow this third hand anecdote about Nietzsche is JUST like this scene from a Dostoyevsky novel
>LMAO I bet Nietzsche was like completely mentally DOMINATED by this story what a DUMBASS
If you had even the brains god gave an amoeba you would realize the causality is obviously inverted. The incident never happened and there is zero evidence that it did, instead someone made it up and using Dostoyevsky as inspiration. This is extremely basic logical reasoning, the fact you are utterly incapable of it and feel the need to shit on Nietzsche like so many before you says a tremendous amount about his so called critics and nothing about Nietzsche or his philosophy.

I don't want to read Nietzsche and then be told "I didn't understand him" as happens here 100 times a day. Where does one start with Niet? What translation? I hear the Kauffman is either completely endorsed or scorned, how can that be?

Nietzsche general bread I guess

>>18972973
>not appreciating the implications of this realization, that is that it too was determined, and so your response, and so your response to this, and that, and so forth
Determinism doesn't eliminate responsibility since it necessitates an infinite regress of realization as you put it. In fact responsibility couldn't exist without determinism, because any other season would undermine causal logic, that is that you could do something in a predictable way to a predictable end, there is no responsibility in randomness which is the alternative to causal logic, eg, determinism.

This is precisely what Nietzsche meant when he referred to the eternal recurrence. The true weight of your will is understanding just how far it connects with everything else, including said understanding and so on ad infinitum. If you find that liberating then I can only think you were determined to be a fool.

>>18831450
Nietzsche.
>What is the greatest thing you can experience? It is the hour of your greatest contempt. The hour in which even your happiness becomes loathsome to you, and so also your reason and virtue.
>The hour when you say: What good is my happiness? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment. But my happiness should justify existence itself!
>The hour when you say: What good is my reason? Does it long for knowledge as the lion for his prey? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment!
>The hour when you say: What good is my virtue? It has not yet driven me mad! How weary I am of my good and my evil! It is all poverty and filth and wretched contentment!
>The hour when you say: What good is my justice? I do not see that I am filled with fire and burning coals. But the just are filled with fire and burning coals!
>The hour when you say: What good is my pity? Is not pity the cross on which he is nailed who loves man? >But my pity is no crucifixion!
>Have you ever spoken like this? Have you ever cried like this? Ah! If only I had heard you cry this way!
>It is not your sin -- it is your moderation that cries to heaven; your very sparingness in sin cries to heaven!
>Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue? Where is the madness with which you should be cleansed?
>Behold, I teach you the Overman! He is that lightning, he is that madness!

>>18422833
You probably think you're clever for your silly littler regress but I already preempted it in my statement, predictable as it was. I suppose you lack the means to see that though. Worry not, not even over the fact you don't worry, time and regret are the best of all teachers.

>>17812960
Yes, that's what you should do you.

>>17747641
Neets are dependent in one sense, but not at all in the other. They only rely on the dependence you imagine as a way to completely reject the systems of participation that define mediocrity. It is wagecucks who are the real dependents, true believers in god, government, fashion, females, power and plans - - all hollow, all vain, all thoroughly detestable. Neetzsche was absolutely talking about us, the neet master race. And I quote...
> Once the sin against God was the greatest sin; but God died, and these sinners died with him. To sin against the earth is now the most dreadful thing, and to esteem the entrails of the unknowable higher than the meaning of the earth...
>What is the greatest experience you can have? It is the hour of the great contempt. The hour when your happiness, too, arouses your disgust, and even your reason and your virtue.
>The hour when you say, 'What matters my happiness? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment. But my happiness ought to justify existence itself.'
The 'happy' wagecuck is ever the enemy of 'humanity', though humanity only be found in solitary enclaves and islands before our very screens. We accept the support and reproach, or dependence as you put it, of this hated enemy only that we may readier wash our hands of it, the foe thus acknowledged materially is divorced from ourselves fundamentally.

>>17746773
If you need a solution for nihilism then there's only one guy who can help you.

>>17693617
Nietzsche quite literally invented progressivism, more, he IS progressivism.
His entire philosophical adventure started with anxiety about a godless future possibly leading to nihilism, he was only thinking about the future, and attempted to write a prescription of how humanity should evolve (progress) to avoid nihilism.

>>17693626
>>17693635
>>17693636
Simply put those people who you are speaking about are not progressives, unless your understanding of philosophy and politics is boomer-tier.
>Evola disliked nationalism
How to reconcile traditionalism with globalism?
>Nietzsche would not be considered a progressive by today's standards at all. He is in favour of a nobility and inequality, this is virtually as reactionary as you can come in today's society.
There really isn't any actual connection between progressivism and egalitarianism, unless you believe that historical materialism nonsense. The identification of progress with anal penetration and chemical castration is the biggest psy-op of our times.

>>17665292
Will to power and poesis. The question you're asking, is literally the question Nietzsche asked himself when he realized that the loss of religion will leave humans without purpose.
Money chasing can be a decent goal, because it may indirectly lead to power. There is a difference between using money to make more money and increase your independence and influence, and using your money to buy a new sportscar though, that's why people are confused with this "money don't buy happiness" bullshit.

Make money.
Use money to seduce a highschooler.
Make 7 babies.
Raise your babies into strongwilled uebermenschen.
Die fullfilled with glorious bliss.

>>13907636
>>your second mistake was not realizing that the rejection of the darwinian game is basically the essence of all authentic spirituality
The very height of all falseness, authentic living is precisely the embracing of natural law. Your feeble prevarications are laughable.

How do I understand him? where to start ( Do not say start with the greeks meme)

>>10694424
>syphilitic and insane hermit leaves his cave to travel the land and rant at people that they're stupid
it's pure memery

>>10481570
>t. didn't understand Nietzsche

What do I win?

>/pol/ is wrong
>Therefore Marx/etc is right

When will /lit/ and /leftypol/ learn?

There is a third way.

>This entire thread

Do I need to have already read most of the western canon of philosophy before I start Nietszche?

>>8900137

>foucault is a nietzschean, but he's also on the left

And that's why he's a joke to anyone who's actually read Nietzsche.

>>8891104
This one.

>>8885251

>When a writer tells a story involving men and women that also seeks to uncover some aspect of l'humaine condition
>l'humaine condition

Stop needlessly using French to affect some sort of intellectual air.

>Humans are social and sexual creatures, and also existential creatures.

[Citation needed]

Humans are, in fact, entirely plastic. Utopians like to emphasize that Humans, past and present, are "more alike than different" as ol' Maya Angelou once famously said. In point of fact, I believe the opposite to be true. The man of 6000 years ago would have very little in common with the man of today, beyond their basic needs. When you say "Humans", what you really mean is "Human Nature" - which as a concept we should really be relegating to the dustbin of history. Those who invoke this kind of thing are afflicted with the old, Platonic affliction - a longing for permanence. Heraclitus was right, however - all is flux, humanity and its nature included.

>They live without shame or sin in the Garden of Eden until Eve partakes of the fruit. This is her sin, but Adam sins before he ever eats.

This can only be entertained if you ignore the context.

Was Adam not the captain of his own ship and soul? There is nothing in the story to suggest that Adam was any less responsible than Eve. You're making the same mistake as all those Medieval theologians - imposing their own interpretation upon a Biblical story for their own ends. In their case, it was down a longing for their misogyny to be justified - in your case, it is down to a longing for 'man' to be defined chiefly, if not only in opposition to 'woman.' All very dialectical, but it ultimately implies there is no such thing as "Man-in-Himself" - which is absurd when you consider that Adam was the original "Man-in-Himself", for a time at least, until Eve.

>It's positively Nietzschean in its rendition of man.

Please explain what you mean by this - particularly when one considers the fact that Nietzsche praises introspection - that is, self-consciousness.

>When man is free from his self-consciousness and anxiety, he frees himself from woman and from free will.

Please explain how man can possibly have "free will" in your alternative - where he forever subservient to woman, and his every action carried out with her in mind.

>>8774824
This man. He is the only one.

>>8769124

He seems well-read. Watched a 2,5 hour interview of him and he covered everything from Foucault, Jung, neuroscience, Darwinian thought, deh Greeks, evolutionary biology, Eliade.

It's hard to pin him down in a political field. He's pic related imo.