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So I am already familiar with Guenons critiques on science, however Guenon in his book treated older science yes he made very sweeping general claims, which are still applicable, however, he never and no author following him that I've seen has directly made the attempt to discredit say quantum field theory/quantum mechanics, pure mathematics, neuroscience, modern theoretical physics or more modern philosophy - with any sort of specificity, are there any traditionalist inspired authors who have learnt about these subjects in their updated modern forms, and then subsequently commented or critiqued them, shown their limitations in all their meaningless specializations, or is it expected to just presuppose that they were all retroactively refuted?

Many modern scientists, have opted for this sort of thing, merging ideas of "conciousness" roughly philosophical, with say some quantum, or logical structure thus proclaiming to explicate or add some new insight to the subject

An example of this:
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Field_theories_of_consciousness

So I am already familiar with Guenons critiques on science, however Guenon deconstructed "old science" yes he made very sweeping general claims, which are still applicable, however, he never and no author following him that I've seen has directly interacted with discrediting say quantum field theory/quantum mechanics, puee mathematics, modern theoretical physics or more modern philosophy - with any sort of specificity, are there any traditionalist inspired authors who have learnt about these subjects in their updated modern forms, and then subsequently commented or critiqued them, or are is common to just presuppose that they were all retroactively refuted?

for me, it's René Guénon

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Jay Dyer has never refuted the metaphysics of Guenon (pbuh)

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>What does it mean for the soul to illuminate the mind?
The soul (consciousness) is the unchanging and self-revealing pure awareness-presence which is the foundation of all mental activity. In every instance of any sort of thought, memory, sensory knowledge, emotion etc, there is always pure awareness that is present there at the same time, these things like thoughts can only be known to begin with *because* they are presented to a presence who precedes, coincides with and remains in their absence. This immediate and constant presence "illumines" the mind when the sentient presence of consciousness whose presence is uninterruptedly revealed to itself provides for the taking place of the mind like how space provides extension for objects, when the mind-functions take place in the same moment as consciousness, it allows the observed object to seem to be integrated via an illusion into the unity of that self-revealing presence, so that it falsely seems to be one with that presence, characterizing it, affecting it, or a part of it despite it being something which because of its non-conscious nature is inextricably different from consciousness.

"Pure consciousness illuminates the material thought-forms of the buddhi (the non-conscious intellect), thereby yielding the appearance of sentient states that are directed towards particular objects and cognitive contents. But from the perspective of pure consciousness this directedness is merely an appearance. Consciousness as such is not directed towards these objects, it has no intention to illuminate the limited material structures in question, and it is completely independent of the mental phenomena upon which its light happens to fall. As exposited by Karl Potter, "whereas ordinary awareness not only has an object but also requires it as the occasion for that specific piece of awareness or judgment, pure consciousness has no more relation to its objects than does the sun that shines on everything without being in the least affected by or dependent on things. (1981, p. 93)."

The most decisive argument against democracy can be summed up in a few words: the higher cannot proceed from the lower, because the greater cannot proceed from the lesser; this is an absolute mathematical certainty that nothing can gainsay. And it should be remarked that this same argument, applied to a different order of things, can also be invoked against materialism; there is nothing fortuitous in this, for these two attitudes are much more closely linked than might at first sight appear. It is abundantly clear that the people cannot confer a power that they do not themselves possess; true power can only come from above, and this is why— be it said in passing— it can be legitimized only by the sanction of something standing above the social order, that is to say by a spiritual authority, for otherwise it is a mere counterfeit of power, unjustifiable through lack of any principle, and in which there can be nothing but disorder and confusion. This reversal of the true hierarchical order begins when the temporal power seeks to make itself independent of the spiritual authority, and then even to subordinate the latter by claiming to make it serve political ends. This is an initial usurpation that opens up the way to all the others; thus it could be shown, for example, that the French monarchy was itself working unconsciously, from the fourteenth century onward, to prepare the Revolution that was to overthrow it; it may be that we shall have the opportunity some day to expound this point of view adequately but for the moment we can only refer briefly to it in passing .

>>15696771
>There is literally no 3rd option.
OH NO NO NO NO

>>15657746
>Is the root of anti-semitism in jealousy?
No it's more like the irritation one experiences when an insect keeps trying to fly in your face or bite you
>Seriously, have you ever debated or bantered with a Jew?
many times on /lit/
How do they always find the perfect things to say to you?
It's never perfect but usually is lacking in any profound insight and usually involves some logical fallacy and other cheap tricks like strawmanning, red herring, ad hominems etc. That passage in Mein Kampf where Hitler talks about debating Jews and how they are incredibly dishonest and then come back the next day to repeat the same talking points I have found to be true form interacting with them on 4chan
>If it's a debate he'll never raise a bad point, if it's banter, you'll always be the one getting destroyed.
This has not been my experience
>What's the explanation behind their intellect?
see Kevin MacDonald's books

>>15580742
>Let me get one thing straight. One of the main theses, at least according to Adorno, Horkheimer, and Marcuse (the leading figures), is that the cause of the Holocaust, Nazism, Nationalism, capitalism, and ALSO the failure of communism in Soviet Russia, is all rooted in rationality, "science", positivism, and the rejection of religion and "feelings".
So they agreed with Guenon?

>>15552385
>Me: Oh? And what, pray tell, inspired you to come to that conclusion?

>"The most decisive argument against democracy can be summed up in a few words: the higher cannot proceed from the lower, because the greater cannot proceed from the lesser; this is an absolute mathematical certainty that nothing can gainsay. And it should be remarked that this same argument, applied to a different order of things, can also be invoked against materialism; there is nothing fortuitous in this, for these two attitudes are much more closely linked than might at first sight appear. It is abundantly clear that the people cannot confer a power that they do not themselves possess; true power can only come from above, and this is why— be it said in passing— it can be legitimized only by the sanction of something standing above the social order, that is to say by a spiritual authority, for otherwise it is a mere counterfeit of power, unjustifiable through lack of any principle, and in which there can be nothing but disorder and confusion. This reversal of the true hierarchical order begins when the temporal power seeks to make itself independent of the spiritual authority, and then even to subordinate the latter by claiming to make it serve political ends. This is an initial usurpation that opens up the way to all the others; thus it could be shown, for example, that the French monarchy was itself working unconsciously, from the fourteenth century onward, to prepare the Revolution that was to overthrow it; it may be that we shall have the opportunity some day to expound this point of view adequately but for the moment we can only refer briefly to it in passing".

>Indeed, we can go further in this direction : it is physically impossible in fact to describe a line that is truly a closed curve. To prove this, it is enough to observe that in the space in which our corporeal modality is situated, everything is ceaselessly in motion (owing to the effect of the spatial and temporal conditions, of which motion is as it were a resultant) ; so that, if we want to describe a circumference, and start at a given point in space, we shall necessarily find ourselves at a different point when we have completed it, and shall never again pass through the starting-point.

>Similarly, the curve that symbolizes the course of any evolutive cycle will never have to pass twice through one and the same point, which is tantamount to saying that there cannot
be a closed curve (nor a curve containing "multiple points" ) .This representation shows that there cannot be two identical possibilities in the Universe,. which indeed would amount to
a limitation of total Possibility-an impossible limitation, because, since it would have to contain Possibility, it could not be contained therein. Thus any limitation of universal Possibility is in the strict and proper sense of the word an impossibility ; and for this reason all philosophical systems, which, qua systems, explicitly or implicitly postulate such limitations, stand equally condemned from a metaphysical standpoint. (2)

>(2) It will be seen, moreover that this excludes all the more or less "reincarnationist" theories that have sprung up in the modern West, on the same grounds as Nietzsche's famous "everlasting return" and other similar conceptions; these considerations are set forth in detail in L' Erreur spirite, Part 2, ch. VI.

- 'The Symbolism of the Cross' pg. 72-73

>start with the Gree-

“It is almost as if the Greeks, at a time when they were about to disappear from history, wished to avenge themselves for their own incomprehension by imposing on a whole section of mankind the limitations of their own mental horizons.”

― عبد الواحد يحيى

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https://dinghal.com/bibliotheek/The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf

What do you guys think of Guenon's comparison of the metaphysics of the different religions Is he right to say that the esoteric teachings of a lot of them lean towards non-dualism? Huxley's book on perennial philosophy says sorta the same thing.

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holy..... based....

The year is 2051, on the centennial of René Guénon's (pbuh) passing everyone across planet Earth as well as on the moon and Mars colonies stays home from work for a day of solemn introspection as a global holiday is declared in remembrance of the sage who saved humanity from destruction. The NeoGuénonian schools of thought flourishing at the top elite universities agree to set aside their differences for the sake of honoring his memory. At the meeting of the Global Community of Monarchies and Theocracies (GCMT) the ambassador of the Eurasian Czarate toasts René Guénon (pbuh) and the legacy of those who followed in his footsteps like Dugin who helped create a multi-polar world that was no longer subject to the depravities of the Anglo-Zionist Atlanticist usury cartel. The ambassador of the revived Caliphate joins in the toast with a non-alcoholic beverage. Over the course of the 2020's and 2030's René Guénon's (pbuh) were spread by underground networks of students in educational and religious institutions as well as online, igniting a revolution in the zeitgeist, it didn't take long for the new generation of Traditionalist youth to ascend to the levers of political, religious, financial and cultural power. Protestantism and Theravada Buddhism were swiftly stamped out, the former being absorbed into the reunited Catholic-Orthodox Church with the Pope as first among equals while Theravadin SE-Asia reverted to Shaivism and was reabsorbed into the Bharat Empire. In every country there are temples, libraries, streets, parks, hospitals, laundromats, schools, banks, markets, cemeteries, restaurants, discos and pharmacies named after René Guénon (pbuh). In France an 800-feet tall statue of René Guénon (pbuh) is inaugurated in the town of his birth, the tallest statue in the world.

This is a thread to have serious discussions of the books written by the influential French intellectual Rene Guenon. It has come to my attention that some people think that the memes being made about him are created by those who have ulterior motives. I myself cannot speculate on such matters, but in response to the people I have seen who have bemoaned the lack of detailed and in-depth discussion of the man's ideas and his books, I would like to create just such a thread for that purpose.

>>15018234
>was opposed to 1848 revolutions
as was any sane man at the time and since

>>15014194
>Guenonposter:
holy based!

Based.... The world is feeling the True Spiritual Center manifest, brothers....
The Kali Yuga is ending....

(To his son came the command): "O Yahya! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth,
And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.
So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!

>>14964301

>Guénon was a brainle-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia. Guénon is also taught in some 'history of western esoterism/mysticism' classes at the few universities which offer them.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>>14923645
be silent and let the wise face of Guenon (pbuh) calm you anon...

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brothers, let us put an end to this foolishness, the answer is clear