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Did Ezra Pound ever change? Or was he always the pseudo-fascist that he was in his youth? Pic rel is Pound doing a Roman salute in his old age (supposedly when people say he was a different person).

>>21479821

>>21479871
Yes.

If you do, you will be able to understand the kaleidoscope of meaning from works inspired by his philological politics and poetics of the everyday. Few poets can ascend to the heights of Dantescan poesis.

>>21467111
Ezra Pound's ABC of Reading is the absolute best place to start. See also "How to Read" in his Literary Essays.

>>21466830
>Catullus, Propertius, Horace and Ovid are the people who matter. Catullus most.
>Virgil is a second-rater, a Tennysonianized version of Homer. Catullus has the intensity... the most hard-edged and intense of the Latin poets.

Were he and T.S. Eliot right about John Milton?

>>19915300
>>19915309
I HATE the pentameter

>>19756284
Women are the most mentally unstable people in existence, their normal condition is NPD and they have no theory of mind so they can't imagine a life based on priorities that aren't theirs (mindless hedonism and trying to prolong the experience of being a 23 year old slut as long as possible before marrying a rich man and day-drinking wine). They should not be advising anybody else on mental health, ever.

Women make good nurses and caretakers and such, and they can even be good supplementary teachers as long as they're regulated very carefully or not given authority to decide what is taught to the children. But they are fucking awful when it comes to governing and managing a human life. They are designed to be happy carefree retards prancing around putting flowers in their hair.

Do you really want the gender that spends ALL its disposable income on scented candles, redundant clothing, perfume, and makeup for its entire 20s, because it instinctively knows it will eventually be provided for regardless, telling you how to fix your life and take life more seriously?

>>19747102
>so clearly his convictions weren't very strong

Strong enough for over 20 years of support, including re-patriating to the fascist states to support a global fascist war on usury:
>Angered by the carnage of World War I, Pound blamed the war on finance capitalism, which he called "usury".[3] He moved to Italy in 1924 and through the 1930s and 1940s promoted an economic theory known as social credit, wrote for publications owned by the British fascist Sir Oswald Mosley, embraced Benito Mussolini's fascism, and expressed support for Adolf Hitler. During World War II and the Holocaust in Italy, he made hundreds of paid radio broadcasts for the Italian government, including in German-occupied Italy, attacking the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Great Britain, international finance, munitions makers and mongers, and Jews, among others, as causes, abettors and prolongers of the world war,

>he apparently renounced many of those beliefs
They tortured him as part of their weird psychological humiliation fetish after WW2. They did it to many others too.
>He spent months in a U.S. military camp in Pisa, including three weeks in an outdoor steel cage. Deemed unfit to stand trial, he was incarcerated in St. Elizabeths psychiatric hospital in Washington, D.C., for over 12 years.

But he never repudiated:
>While in St. Elizabeths, Pound would often decline to talk to psychiatrists with names he deemed Jewish (he called psychiatrists "kikiatrists"),[369] and he apparently told Charles Olson: "I was a Zionist in Italy, but now I'm for pogroms, after what I've experienced in here (SLiz)."[370] He advised visitors to read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and he referred to any visitor he happened not to like as Jewish.[371]
>Pound struck up a friendship with Eustace Mullins, apparently associated with the Aryan League of America and author of the 1961 biography This Difficult Individual, Ezra Pound.[373] Even more damaging was his friendship with John Kasper, a Ku Klux Klan member who, after Brown v. Board of Education (a 1954 U.S. Supreme Court decision mandating racial desegregation in public schools), set up a Citizens' Council chapter, the Seaboard White Citizens' Council in Washington.[374] Members had to be white, supportive of racial segregation, and believers in the divinity of Jesus.[375] Kasper wrote to Pound after admiring him at university, and the two became friends.[376] In 1953 Kasper opened a far-right bookstore, "Make it New", at 169 Bleecker Street, Greenwich Village,[377] that displayed Pound's work in the window.
>It became increasingly clear that Pound was schooling Kasper in the latter's pro-segregation activism.
>[After his release,] Pound and Dorothy arrived in Naples on the SS Cristoforo Colombo on 9 July 1958, where Pound was photographed giving a fascist salute to the waiting press.

They knew they could never break his will, so they did everything they could to break his mind instead.

没有共产党就没有新中国

>>19141990

Best
And sweatiest

So how important of a poet was he really?
If I want to gain a substantive understanding of 20th century poetics, is he necessary?
Not keen on reading fascists desu.

>>17450260
>JEFFERSON didn’t believe any nation had the right to contract debts that it couldn’t pay off with reasonable effort within nineteen years.

>“ The best place for keeping money is in the pockets of the people.”

>We have had the century of the “benefits of concentration of capital” (and the malefits).

>Paper money in the popular pocket would not breed stagnation and it would not stay there for the reasons of oriental hoarding. The popolano would want to show it was there. Its distribution would mean greater mobility of goods.

>The first act of the fascio was to save Italy from people too stupid to govern, I mean the Italian communists, the Lenin-less communists. The second act was to free it from parliamentarians, possibly worse, though probably no more dishonest than various other gangs of parliamentarians, but at any rate from groups too politically immoral to govern.

>As far as financial morals are concerned, I should say that from being a country where practically everything and anything was for sale, Mussolini has in ten years transformed it into a country where it would even be dangerous to try to buy out the government. In other countries they excuse inexplicable perfidies by saying “These men are personally honest.” I am now quoting an admiral : “All I know is that all these men are my personal friends and I assure you that they are personally honest.” The implication being that they play the super-crooks’ game because they are stupid and hoodwinked.

>A capacity for being hoodwinked is not in itself a qualification for ruling. It is, let us admit, often a means of getting office in countries where office is elective. Jefferson thought the live men would beat out the cat’s-paws.

>The fascist hate of demi-liberal governments is based on the empiric observation that, in many cases, they don’t and have not.

Can't stop Ezra.

>>16562704
People who venerate Pound for his fascist associations and antisemitism are invariably philistines who view him as a symbol are incapable of appreciating his verse. If it were believed that TS Eliot had done what Pound did, they would venerate him instead, without any regard for any of the aesthetic qualities of either man's corpus. It should also be noted that Pound disavowed his antisemitism

>>15676294
According to his passport, at age 33, Ezra Pound was 5'10.5". Given that he was born in 1885, such a height would have properly been labelled as tall. Given this and his jawline and hairline, he was an eminently attractive man in his youth and perhaps even after. So everyone needs to shut the fuck up about Camus being hot because he's chin-mogged, hair-mogged, height-mogged, and writing-mogged by Pound. Literally beaten on every front. Also what Dostoevsky book is that from