/lit/ - Literature

>>8264108

The argument in question being a boastful claim of having native proficiency in a language consciously learned and acquired. In response to your overestimation of your linguistic ability, I merely provided my own personal experience and as no academic or scientific test I know of yet tests the validity of such a claim, I profess to not being able to offer a definitive nail in this coffin.

But as to your assertion that "idioms are no indication of native ability", I assert somewhat to the contrary. Idioms are only a particular instance. Examine the foundations of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. A language is forged in its geography and culture; a lake, a river, a stream, an ocean are all imbued special significance by their signifiers. If we had time machines to trace back the specific origins of languages most primal and essential words, we would discover they are all basically regionalisms and idioms. An infant whose first word is "sunshine" continues to unconsciously build associations with in his native English language. He dreams in that language, he thinks in it almost hereditarily. It blurs the line between nature and nurture.

Though I'm sure your careful and erudite English is perfectly good, it would take an extraordinary upbringing, one steeped in the language from the cradle to the dinner table to the church sermon, for you to acquire this sort of unconscious creativity, and it is the selfsame thing that is the special attribute of a native speaker's use of his language. A non-native speaker of English could not write Ulysses*.

*I anticipate somebody will say Joyce is not a native speaker according to my definition because he was born in Ireland. His parents both spoke English.

His work is a hybrid of fedora-tier faggotry and Joss Whedon pandering. Kudos to him for putting forth the vigor required to build a fictional world complete with a map and a timeline, but genuine effort does not a genius or great art make.

>gratuitous, pointless, unsexy sex and big boy cuss words in every other sentence to make it """adult"""
>M. Night Shymanamanamalan tier tweeeests
>le gurls can be murderous "heroes" 2!!! plus cliché poetic justice for anyone who thinks otherwise
>loudmouth, unsophisticated meme author who unironically wears that fucking bdsm gay guy hat everywhere

Equating it with 50 Shades of Gray would be an exaggeration, but it's definitely not /lit/. Even in its own genre it's subpar.