/lit/ - Literature

>>23250202
>He invented, like, many languages, bro! All out of thin air!

>He invented, like, many languages, bro! All out of nowhere and shit

>>21793536
You are indeed dumb american. Elvish languages have nothing in common with Icelandic or Norse languages, but Finnish language which is Ugric.

Even the languages invented by Tolkien were not original, Quenya is literally a dialect of Finnish language. Pic related for proof, Tolkien did not even "invent" the words, he straight up just used Finnish words for Quenya and elvish languages. He literally just opened Finnish dictionary.

Why did Tolkien steal from the Finns then? Old Fakey lacked the imagination to come up with something original?

>“It [discovering Finnish] was like discovering a wine-cellar filled with bottles of amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me.”

>[The Kalevala was] “the original germ of the Silmarillion” (Letters, 87)

>Quenya is a constructed language created by Professor J. R. R. Tolkien. According to its creator, Quenya's main models were Latin, Finnish and Greek. It could perhaps be said that Finnish was the most important of these in the beginning, because it gave Tolkien the initial impulse to create Quenya. Finnish influence does indeed seem strong in the earliest forms of the language, at least in vocabulary, where many words are Finnish in style.

Why most people try to discredit the Finnish influence that Tolkien recreated with his Silmarillion/Lord of the Rings/World of Arda?

I see people here commenting absurd things like "Tolkien was channeling the Northern Spirit of European Folk-tales" etc, when it is clear that he is not talking about the Northern Spirit, but the Finnish spirit, the finnish landscapes and the finnish culture, heritage and language.

>But muh bible! Gandalf the white is Risen Jesus!
It is more than clear that Gandalf sole inspiration was the sage Väinämöinen.

>b-but muh Odin! The Grey Wanderer! He is Gandalf
It is clear that Odin shares little to none similarities with Gandalf. Perhaps the one Eye of Odin could be regarded as a reference to the one eye of Sauron

>B-but muh Merlin the Wizard! Surely he is the true inspiration of Gandalf
Absolutely not. Merlin resided in a tower, just like the corrupted wizard Saruman, whom Gandalf overthrows.

Numerous academic treatises have also been written how Silmarillion is basically just retelling of the forging of Sampo:
http://jultika.oulu.fi/files/nbnfioulu-201804201498.pdf

Respect the Finns.

>>21775733
> Didn't he just rip off Finnish?
Sure but you can’t say that. You have to be diplomatic in the literary world. Use euphemisms like “influenced” or “inspired” instead. Otherwise the Tolkien mob will attack you.

>>21274503
>Tolkien was a philology professor who wrote his own languages.
lmao he just ripped off the languages of other people. He was a fraud. Lovecraft at least created his own shit and had a better prose. Lovecraft is closer to being literary than the goyslop maker Tolkien. Where they published their stuff or what they did for a living is irrelevant.

>>21225267
>Did Homer invent fictional languages?
No and neither did Tolkien. He simply copied
other languages. He made dialects at best, not languages.
>>21225258
That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking why is he original? It's as if Anglos convinced themselves he's somehow original and the "father of fantasy" or some nonsense. He's a myth himself. Luckily it's one we can call fraudulent.

Even the languages invented by Tolkien were not original, Quenya is literally a dialect of Finnish language

Pic related for proof

Tolkien did not even invent his own words for his "made up" languages. He literally just opened Finnish dictionary

Even the languages invented by Tolkien were not original, Quenya is literally a dialect of Finnish language

Pic related for proof

Tolkien did not even invent his own words for his "made up" languages. He literally just opened Finnish dictionary

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Finnish
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34063157

These anglos were literally obsessed fennomaniacs

>. I never learned Finnish well enough to do more than plod through a bit of the original, like a schoolboy with Ovid; being mostly taken up with its effect on 'my language'. But the beginning of the legendarium, of which the Trilogy is pan (the conclusion), was in an attempt to reorganize some of the Kalevala, especially the tale of Kullervo the hapless, into a form of my own. That began, as I say, in the Honour Mods period; nearly disastrously as I came very near having my exhibition taken off me if not being sent down. Say 1912 to 1913.

-Tolkien Letters