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>>14807297
>>14807297
>"great refusal"
Not at all. It is rather a metaphor, or even a description of mythic forces which remain in our time. Neither a renunciation of power nor action, and without any left/right distinction. A way of thinking through power when great men are impossible. In relation, Moldbug's position would be something of an abstract negation that capitulates to liberalism.

I'm not in agreement with Spengler. There are perhaps deeper beliefs in our time, and we follow myths without even knowing them. Our belief and sense of meaning is so strong that there is no need of religion.

I don't think Jordan Peterson is a good example of this. He isn't right-wing and, as strange as it may seem, I think he is genuine. He is not a hollow man but almost the perfect figure of a liberal living after the death of the political form.

"Negative sovereignty" would function precisely because it is one with the immaterial power, the form of power itself which can have no human representation. Perhaps you are thinking of this in materialist terms, as if it is the material that creates forms rather than itself being a reaction. Again, it is not a dogmatic approach or a program, but a metaphor intended to increase the senses and the ability to act. Not the thing-in-itself but an attempt to reveal it.
Power itself is not who wields its material, occupies its territory. The appearance of power is not real power, this occurs instead when the sovereign effectively acts as a medium, or means of transition of the forces of power. He may even disappear in the process. True power exists when the sovereign is able to retreat, where the distinction between awaiting and anticipation disappears. Dominion remains in his absence, may even necessitate it. The sleeping king lives on in all who hear the myth; there are greater things than order.

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>>13891510
No doubt Junger was heavily influenced by Nietzsche, however, I also think he had major differences. It may even be said that he reconciles Nietzsche with Plato, what one would assume is an impossible task. Power remains one of the most significant factors, yet it functions like a magnetic pole between Form and Dominion. The Figure is essentially the monarch of this character within an era. Junger was a strong individual in the classic and noble sense, reconciling necessity with eternal laws and being.

As for accelerationism, definitely not. They are completely opposed perspectives, and the crude rationalism of these types is perhaps the ultimate bourgeois revolution, a revolution of theory alone, completely detached from reality and the necessity of the era. He describes acceleration as an end, the approach of a finality before a great shift. This is how I see it as well, economic worldviews are a generalisation of the non-type, of the leveled man concerned only with base self-preservation.

Technology is a means of transition, the snake shedding its skin, a passing through the hands between gods and man - then the theft and consumption of entire worlds by war. The challenge presented by such situations as technological destruction and war is not the object itself, but merely a first step. We are forced into this by the weakness of modernity, while the true object remains the dominion beyond the symbolic and mere appearance of power. Totality allows us to pass through the destructive phase, reorder that which survives as force - creating an entire territory of sovereignty.

He is pre-kantian and non-Christian, which presents some major dificulties for modern thinkers. Such a perspective is neither rationalised instrumentation to an idea, nor a powerful dictate of morality.

>>13857791
Okay, here is the rest of this >>13857751 post. It is fairly long, exploring myth and modernity through questions of Plato's Forms, hyperreality, technology, and modern law. I didn't really go over it so it is probably a bit broad and not as clear as I'd like, but hopefully it makes sense, or is in some way useful.

Loss of Form, a falling away from dominion, results in distortion, or pollution, of the human relation to eternal laws. Man begins to confuse the form with the thing in itself, and so loses sight of its being. The Form as a relation between natural and divine law is essentially replaced with a series of reflections, until the Allegory of the Cave becomes the whole of the law from within its inner depths. Essentially, the shadows on the cave wall are constructed into a firmament, and to the extent that they dig further in they must produce their own lines of creation. This is akin to the isolated tribe which can no longer trade without the risk of violence - either they must go to war with all surrounding tribes or subsist on tree bark.

This explains the obsession with that which lies outside the world, of building a technology which allows for our escape, and yet also causes us to dig deeper into the earth. We are the precise inversion of everything Greek, hence the ugliness of our societies: the hegelianism of the coprophage. The strip mine of dominion creates a second form of production, as that which must be pumped out of the depths doubles waste and the distance from our origin. But this is not the whole of reality itself, as there remains a clean up operation on the surface.