/lit/ - Literature

>>12612841
Your answers feel like satire sometimes but they're so long that it would be rude not to reply.

Although my list of reasons don't have arguments with them I just wanted to show you where I am coming from. We will go more in-depth on these ideas as our correspondence continues, so be patient with me.

Naturalism/materialism
>Doesn’t prove or disprove anything
If everything is material then an immaterial god can't exist. Nor can immaterial souls.

Determinism
>Ultimately unable to be proved or disproved. And of course, even within Christianity you have some who believe in predestination.
If there is no free will then the problem of evil cannot possibly be explained while claiming that god cares about suffering people. Examples of this are being raped to death, the Holocaust, slavery, etc. If we grant any single thing in this world as bad and admit an omnipotent god, then it is a fact that god knowingly created those bad experiences, thus making god at least a little bit bad. If your argument is to say what god said to Job, then I ask that you admit some ability to evaluate the human experience, lest you live in an unintelligble world. There are some things about being human that are necessary for having any type of good experience and we must value those things no matter what. There is no choice to be made about eating, breathing, sleeping, loving! It seems under your view we can no longer say that a child starving to death is a bad thing. Can you not say for a fact that (assuming you have healthy legs) if I cut off your leg that would be objectively worse than not cutting off your leg?

innocent suffering
>First, let me say that God has no reason to prevent suffering (why should he?).
Because unless the lives that we live are totally unintelligible and we are mistaken about how bad it is for children to starve, catch on fire, be chopped up into little pieces, then god should value these things just like we do. He would see these things as bad and would do something about it, because just like how they make us cry they would make god weep while he cleaned up the mess he has made, for he would have full knowledge of how BAD they feel. And yet, as I've typed this out over the last 10 minutes a couple hundred children have died from preventable causes.
You seem to have missed the original argument. Some suffering is good, some suffering is unnecessary. I want to talk about unnecessary suffering. If your claim is that that good cannot exist without unnecessary suffering, then I disagree. Do we torture our babies so they can appreciate keys being jangled in front of their faces? Do we think of how nice it is to not be crying about our raped, dead mothers while we play with our friends? No, of course not! We are busy being in the moment.