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>>15695132 (OP)
>inherent property of the universe

What do you mean by 'inherent'? It's certainly a part of the Universe, yes. It also doesn't seem very complicated or strange to me. I think we have a pretty compelling understanding from evolution how consciousness (which is basically an internalising of the meta-structure of evolution as desire) came to be. And self-consciousness or subjectivity, which your question is an expression of, is the product of a historical dialectical or evolutionary process. It is worth also bearing in mind that your asking the question actually filters for a Universe where such an occurrence is possible mind you - by merely formulating the question we presuppose our existence (Anthropic Principle).

As for whether you could say it's an inherent property of the Universe, that's almost a semantic problem more than anything - there exist too tabletops in the Universe, which have a property of smoothness - would it make sense to say that smoothness is a property of the Universe? Can that be maintained with some apparently contradictory property, like jaggedness? Perhaps, but of what consequence is it too point out that all the properties of objects of the Universe apply to the Universe too (if we decide they do)? It doesn't seem to me to forward anything.

>>15695132
>inherent property of the universe

What do you mean by 'inherent'? It's certainly a part of the Universe, yes. It also doesn't seem very complicated or strange to me. I think we have a pretty compelling understanding from evolution how consciousness (which is basically an internalising of the meta-structure of evolution as desire) filter for a Universe where such an occurrence is possible mind you - by merely formulating the question we presuppose our existence (Anthropic Principle).

As for whether you could say it's an inherent property of the Universe, that's almost a semantic problem more than anything - there exist too tabletops in the Universe, which have a property of smoothness - would it make sense to say that smoothness is a property of the Universe? Can that be maintained with some apparently contradictory property, like jaggedness? Perhaps, but of what consequence is it too point out that all the properties of objects of the Universe apply to the Universe too (if we decide they do)? It doesn't seem to me to forward anything.