/lit/ - Literature

>>18176055
What is so hard to understand about a Nietzschean world-view ? The species has to survive, that's all. You don't have to like the methods.

>>8151506
>Nietzsche tries to counter nihilism by an affirmative which merely becomes a very strong, affirmative version of nihilism. Nothing has any value of itself anymore, things are valued according to life-affirmation (excitement)
If you read over 9[35] and 9[91] more, Nietzsche does not end on active nihilism... active nihilism is an intermediate state either characteristic of decadence that is still hesitating or of productive forces that are not yet strong enough to invent the resources it needs. These combined notes, to me, say that the entire process of God's death -> nihilism -> post-nihilism is this:

+ Once, God was found to be true. There was aim, unity, and beingness (thingness).
+ The development of science fictionalized God, and fictionalized aim, unity, and beingness.
+ This fictionalization leads to a sovereign ignorance, a weakening of the appropriating force, which is nihilism — "knowledge" itself is a fiction now.
+ Active nihilism is when the appropriating force becomes strong enough to reinvent meaning for itself. It is destructive AND creative, but it still sees fiction as it seeks to triumph over its passive nihilism. Aim is still a thingness to it, because the world of thingness, as faint as it now is, continues to linger behind.
+ The philosophy that comes after meaning has been reinvented, the philosophy inherited by the next generation, the generation that no longer has to reinvent meaning but can now live by the meaning created by the past reinventors (which was designed in alignment with becomingness), is no longer nihilistic. It does not see fiction anymore. It believes fully in itself and what it does.

>we see what happens when this is applied to art: art can no longer be valued for itself, only for how "avant-garde" it is.
The avant-garde, abstract, all that nonsense is not characteristic of the final stage above, Nietzsche's philosophy. It's characteristic of the intermediate state, active nihilism, in its DECADENT form. Art, when Nietzsche's endgame philosophy is applied, becomes immersion, as we see in Alex Kierkegaard, whose philosophy is Nietzsche's endgame in full active form.

Also, see my post in this other thread >>8149229, it's relevant here. Interestingly enough, Nietzsche's endgame shares some properties when observed from an outsider perspective, or the mediocre ones, with Christ's. Your Father Seraphim Rose guy is picking up on that, I think, without acknowledging that Christianity has that quality too.

>>8108901
Correlation is not causation. Atheism correlates with intelligence positively. That does not necessarily mean one causes the other. Also, why should atheism be "illogical belief" ?

>>5898288
Transcending humans into gods is not optimistic ?

Nietzschean

Many still will have to go into the void. Many will be lost before man becomes god himself.
For even as living pyres ye will be bridges to the Overman.
Though shalt do it for the race, and though shalt do it happily.
For truly, the greatest joy of the bridge is to see the other shore.

Nietzschean Doctrine