/lit/ - Literature

>>13972863
>meta-political

Why are you not taking DMT right now to experience union with the divine? Have you read Terrence McKenna?

What separates a good novel from a bad one?

>>13159783
Since people went away from the hunter gatherer society doesn't that mean it's intrinsically unstable?

>>13058118
>Buddhism
>"Brahman"

I've probably attempted to write my novel 8 times. Everytime, I write for around a week and then suddenly, my idea starts looking like a retarded sack of shit and I delete everything.

Am I not vetting or exploring my ideas enough before writing them or is it just a matter of commitment and not overthinking stuff?

OP here, going to start with my own opinion. I tried, I really did, but the text is incredibly dense and difficult, and deciphering each and every word is impossible. What I am doing at the moment is following the outline and then try to decipher what is happening from the text. I also had the immediate impression of reading multiple stories at the same time. As if I was going through a myth, a ballad, and other things, and the linguistic confusion was the result of putting more than one text there at the same time. Despite many nonsensical bits, I have also found passages that were very evocative, such as this one:

>(Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this daybook, what curios
of signs (please stoop), in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since
We and Thou had it out already) its world. It is the same told
of all. Many. Miscegenations on miscegenations. Tieckle. They
lived und laughed ant loved end left. Forsin. Thy thingdome is
given to the Meades and Porsons. The meandertale, aloss and
again, of our old Heidenburgh in the days when Head-in- Clouds
walked the earth.

I feel like the first chapter was mostly going through the major themes of the book - this sort of “psychedelic” way in which all stories are one story or are somehow expressed in each other, and how the story of the fall somehow embodies them all. It felt like going through different references to those stories - Adam & Eve, the babel story, Tristram & Isolde, up to the story of Tim Finnegan in the ballad to present the main theme.

At the moment I am trying to avoid guides as I would like to get as much of it myself as possible. I feel that the text requires me to work on it on my own first, and that I have more fun trying to figure out things alone (despite still relying on the outline to have at least some point to hang to). But I am thinking to use a bit of Tindall from the reading list I provided you at the beginning for the next bits (I am actually almost a 100 pages in at this point but I want to keep the pace slower so that more people can join in, at least in the next sessions).
I will try to keep these going, anyway, if someone is interested!

And oh, I had found a useful website to help deciphering the words, called finwake.com, but it seems to be down today. I’ll put the link in next Sunday’s thread, if it goes back up!

>>12174653

>Books of literary merit (I would say this means they, on some level, move the average middle-brow) are high art, like paintings. One either understands a work or they don't. There is no wrong, and there is no "better."

>Are you making an argument to defend bad quality by saying that if you FEEL life than you can't keep it in the boundaries of your writing because the FEELING is so overwhelming that it BREAKS OUT FROM THE RULES and also that that's the way you make the reader FEEL?

>>12069420

OH MY GOD?! HOW CAN THE ALT RIGHT APPROPRIATE THE HOLY FIELD OF THE CLASSICS! WHAT HAS ACADEMIA DONE TO DESERVE THE INFAMOUS CONTEMPORARY RIGHT-WING TROLLS MEDDLING WITH THE LIKES OF PLATO? AND FOR WHAT REASON?!
COULD IT BE... COULD IT BE THAT THE CONSTANT AND REPEATED EFFORT IN ACADEMIA TO DESTROY EVERY NARRATIVE OF CULTURAL CONTINUITY BETWEEN WESTERN CULTURE AND THE CLASSICAL WORLD, AND TO DEMOLISH THE VERY NOTION OF WESTERN CULTURE, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO REUNITE BITS OF HISTORICAL TRUTH IN A COHERENT NARRATIVE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME IMPORTING GENDER STUDIES, POST-COLONIALISM AND GENERAL FOUCAULTIAN-LIKE PHILOSOPHICAL RELATIVISM IN THE FIELD OF CLASSICS, COULD IT BE THAT ALL THIS, TOGETHER WITH THE RELENTLESS INSISTENCE ON THE FACT THAT THE CLASSICS ARE NOT IN FACT SUCH A BIG DEAL AND BECAME CLASSICS NOT BECAUSE THEY POSSESS ANY INHERENT QUALITY BUT BECAUSE "COMMUNITIES" OF "PEOPLE IN POWER" HAS DECIDED THEM TO BE SO, COULD IT BE THAT THIS AND THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF REPURPOSING ACADEMIC DISCOURSE IN WAY WHICH INVOLVES PULLING THE HEAD OF PROFESSORS OUT OF THEIR ASSES AND WRITE SOMEONE RELEVANT FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE UNIVERSITY LIBRARY, COULD IT BE THAT WE, THE BLESSED ELITE OF AFOREMENTIONED IN-ASS-HEADED-ACADEMICS HAVE LOST OUR GRIP ON THE CLASSICS HANDLING IT TO A GROUP WHICH IS BARELY IDENTIFIABLE AS A GROUP AND THAT WE ARE RATHER NAMING "ALT-RIGHT" TO HAVE AN UMBRELLA TERM WHICH HELPS IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO REALLY LIKED PLAYING AGE OF EMPIRES AND WHOSE KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY IS LIMITED TO IT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHICH AT THE MOMENT SEEM, IN THEIR GENERAL IGNORANCE OF EVERYTHING WHICH IS NOT IN VIDEOGAME FORM, TO OFFER SOMETHING THAT LOOKS, EVEN BARELY, LIKE A NARRATIVE OF CULTURAL CONTINUITY AND WHO ACTUALLY VALUE CLASSICS FOR WHAT THEY ARE?

>>12031067

How come in this line of reasoning the videogame is noteworthy and the book is not? Mmh, that is an interesting difference. Could it be that anon realized that yes, while the practical act of writing a book may indeed be easier than the practical act of making a videogame or a movie as it requires only pen and paper and no other support, the act of writing a NOTEWORTHY book instead requires something anon could not quite define and therefore removed as potentially dangerous to his argument?
This really makes me think.

>>11907120
>But that's the equivalent of swinging your arms when you lift weights.
What did Anon mean by this?

how do we fix /lit/?

>>11017211
what did he mean by this?

Are there any authors that look at technology in a more positive light but aren't hokey/cheesy?

GOD TIER
Wittgenstein, Foucault, W. James, Arendt, Popper

TOP TIER
Socrates, Marx, Hume, Hobbes, Spinoza, Husserl

MEDIUM TIER
Sartre, Russell, J.S. Mill, Machiavelli, Heidegger, Levinas

LOW TIER
Descartes, Plato, Kant, Locke, Confucius, Kierkegaard, Hegel, Freud, Jung

SHIT TIER
Aristotle, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Aquinas, Schopenhauer, Derrida, Deleuze

>>10545716
>It's a sophistry. You're an idiot.
So the PhD holding John Hopkins University researchers are just being dumb sophists and a guy who convinced himself he's a woman posting on an anime website is better qualified to interpret these brain imaging studies?
Hmm...

What doth life? Are we just fleshy blips in some meaningless stew of cosmic oblivion? Or is it vice-reversa? Is our every trollop through fate's garden infused with a mystical-

Plato is the most influential thinker in western history, but fucked boys?