/lit/ - Literature

>>22684275
It's gotta be just one guy, right? Or maybe a handful of people coordinating on a Discord server or something. And they've got to all be Prots or Orthos considering how hard the seethe seems to be directed at Rome.

Well, as has been said on more than one occasion, the amount of enemies the Catholic Church has always made for itself is one of the signs that it is the One True Church. Prots, Orthos, Jews, Muslims, atheists, communists, capitalists, pagans, everybody knows who the Big Dog is.

He's an Ortho so as a Catholic I think he's wrong. The Orthos are the main ones pushing universalism and it's almost entirely because they don't have the doctrine of Purgatory and they don't have a unified center of teaching like the Roman Church has.

Does anyone else feel like the United States and the Catholic Church just can't get along?

I feel like there's an unbreachable divide between the ideas that undergird the United States and Catholic Christianity. The United States and the Catholic Church feel like oil and water. They can't mix. They're incapable of mixing.

I think this explains why American Catholics tend to be so weird and schizo, trying to unite these two identities that fundamentally can't be united.

Basically, I think you can be a good American or you can be a good Catholic, but you can't be both.

As a Catholic, and someone who is quite proud of being Catholic, the American experience increasingly feels strange to me, and particularly so from the very American strains of Protestantism, in which I believe Hedges is a preacher. In fact, he's a Presbyterian minister.

I just do not identify with this worldview. To me, America seems to be one more great hegemon that is about to slide into autocracy and despotism. But so what? It's not some great tragedy. It's the history of the world. Americans have this attitude that the United States is some unique, special thing, and so anything good or bad that happens to it, for any reason, is a world-historical event. But I suppose being Catholic I have a larger historical context. Empires come and empires go. Nations come and nations go. So what? America isn't special. The thing I don't like about Hedges is that he THINKS America is some all-important thing, and any trouble for it is some calamitous event. But it isn't.

>>18120409
And now you know why the Second Vatican Council happened. The Church knew it had a problem in Europe and the Americas even in the first half of the 20th Century.

>>18076964
Who's making excuses? I'm certainly not. I'm trying to explain the actual facts and legitimate circumstances of the abuse crisis, why it was as bad as it was. If this does not precisely line up with your anti-Catholicism, don't blame me. Facts can sometimes be inconvenient things. I acknowledge how bad the problem was, but why, precisely, it was as bad as it was is a thing that is sometimes not presented properly. The idea that more than 50%, or even more than 20%, of priests at the time were pedophiles is simply false.

>>17548658
>He says Christianity supports seperation of church and state because it says render to Caesar and abolished the religious law

Of COURSE a fucking Anglo would say that. God I hate Anglos and I hate the Church of England.

>>17518468
Ah, I see the Anglicans are at it again. Every time I get depressed about the current state of the Catholic Church I look over at the Church of England/Episcopalians and realize it could b a thousand times worse.

>>15176505
>Catholic
>lefty

>>14231932
No, I'm just tired of people trotting out the abuse crisis as if it's some kind of blanket gotcha for all of Catholicism, when abusive priests are and always have been a small percentage of outliers throughout the centuries. It got old in 2003, learn a new song.

All of you fuckers are going to Hell.

>almost every single person ITT has a different interpretation

This is exactly why Protestantism was a mistake. Individual Christians, even intelligent ones, can never all arrive at a consensus for what Scripture means, because some are good, some are bad, some are intelligent, some are not so intelligent, and there is no coherent entity that compels them all to stick to a single interpretation.