/lit/ - Literature

>>18904011
It will come.

Just not yet.

>>18771211
>I will remind you that china today practices a corporatist model just like fascism in the way they organize society by sectors as opposed to marx's class.
I think you're getting caught up in "ideal" definitions or fussing over the particulars a bit much. And it's not like the CPC leaders are dummies who haven't read Marx and Lenin. At the same time, "actually-existing fascism" (don't say "wasn't real fascism") had all kinds of different economic models in different countries, or authoritarian right-wing regimes of various kinds, which is the side that Mussolini and Bombacci picked when the chips fell. Only Italian fascism is "pure" for some, but I'm not letting you wriggle out of this. Also no fascist regime survived the death of its leader -- that's also different.

Sometimes China's system is called "state capitalism," which they reject, but that was also a term used by Engels with different definitions before Trotsky (rather negatively), describing a system where the state controls the economy but capitalist exploitation is still permitted. Lenin also used the term for the NEP as a transitional state to a socialist economy governed by workers. So, I don't think the categorical label of "state capitalist" or "corporatist" or whatever "ism" you like is all that helpful or insightful here. I would rather define "state capitalism" as state-facilitated or planned growth basically just for its own sake. There are forces in China that are in favor of that but it's further away from the ideal type than even say South Korea which is probably the purest example

And of course, one major difference is the question of imperialism, which if you believe Lenin is something driven by the class character of the regime. Mussolini's Italy invaded and attempted to colonize Libya and Ethiopia, and they were very brutal about it. They slaughtered people in those countries. Muammar Gaddafi didn't let the Italians forget it either when he paid a state visit to Rome with a picture attached to his chest of a Libyan resistance fighter executed by Italian fascists (if you've seen the famous photo). And people say Gaddafi was a fascist! It's unbelievable! I wouldn't let you wriggle out of that one either.

I do think imperialism was something the USSR engaged in, but I think the corrupted nomenklatura effectively became a bourgeoisie who were like "fuck it lol let's do capitalism so we can buy more stuff with our money as opposed to stagnating." But they were trapped in their ideology so they denied that they were a bourgeoisie. Maybe China could go that route, but I wouldn't describe China as an imperialist country right now. It's not comparable to the revisionist USSR when they were knocking out Eastern European capitals with tanks and invading Afghanistan. I think the Chinese are more like: we have capitalists but they don't form a class for itself and individual boojies have to do what the party says or else the consequences will not be very good for them.