/lit/ - Literature

>>22144977
A theory I've kicked around in my head from time to time is that, if not Satan specifically, the Judge may be the Antichrist, or at the very least a figure consciously designed to be Jesus of Nazareth's polar opposite

Christ:
>lowly peasant, works a common job and lacks any extraordinary physical features, born in a small town and has a traceable lineage
>actively declines using his abilities unless it serves some specific purpose, avoids vulgar displays of power even when requested
>speaks to others in a manner common to the times, appeals to knowledge people in 1st century Palestine would undoubtedly have
>tells relatively concise parables that have intelligible meanings, even if they can be cryptic
>lays down his life for his friends
>protects children
>rejects dominion over all the kingdoms of the world, respects free will
>advocates compassion, self-sacrifice, and nonviolence
>states that God is love

Holden:
>is an esteemed, highly educated man with a number of abnormal physical characteristics, has no clearly earthly origin or relatives and just shows up in random places without warning
>apparently has magical abilities of some sort, doesn't use them for any practical or helpful purpose and performs a variety of tricks just to confuse and fuck with people
>casts pearls before swine, regales uneducated thugs with often-irrelevant academic, scientific, or metaphysical information that they can neither understand or make sense of
>tells rambling, unsettling parables that lack any clear message or purpose
>leaves his companions to die and attempts to kill others
>preys upon children, causes them to stumble and fall
>lays claim over all the world and demands its submission to him
>rebukes all claims of moral realism and exalts in violence
>states that God is war

>>21043957
I think the question is really more as to whether or not he was consciously aware of it.

Like, did Jesus, the man, fully comprehend that he was literally the Logos itself made flesh, or was it just pure intuition and he didn't even have to actively think about it? We are told, after all, that Jesus doesn't say or do anything of his own accord - he only ever does what the Father tells him to. Did Jesus know he was God when he was a toddler? Did Jesus sit around contemplating the fact that he was literally Ultimate Reality itself working as a carpenter in his 20's? Can God Himself say, "I am ascending to my God and your God" while still fully remembering Himself, and still being one God?

None of this is answerable for certain because none of us can actually look inside Jesus's mind. The Incarnation is a mystery - not because it is deliberately concealed from us, but because it is literally impossible for us to comprehend. I at least assume that this is what Ellul is getting at.

>>20642426
In other words, Kant and Darwin, but we're wearing "glasses of survival", or rather there are populations with "survival lens"/"survival cornea" which are still here to this day.

Which raises the question of why anybody would abstract prefer Truth over survival. Why should a population prefer Correspondence/Coherence theories of truth over survival.

> "God is Divine Person"
> "Personhood itself is divine" (Read Feuerbach)

But is Personhood divine? Behind almost every mistake, every tragedy, every sorrow, pain, suffering, sadness and despair is a Person. No People, no problem. No People, no Fall. The Genesis narrative only says that Creation-in-itself (i.e. ecosystem before the breathing of spirit into the dust that became Adam) was Good. It explicitly says nothing about humans being good. Far from it, .

The only suggestion that humans are even capable of the Platonic Good is from an assertion of spiritual substances, - untestable, unmathematical. Saying that Evil has substantial Being, we may even say the Form of Personhood is identical to the Form of the Evil.

And "Imago Dei" isn't even coherent. Graven images are denounced as the greatest evil throughout the Bible. Yet none have dared apply this to "Imago Dei" or considered that Adam was an engraving onto the Good Dust. Could it be that Personhood, in respect of God Himself, is His own selfish idolatry? Is not then, the Incarnation, the escalation, the metastasizing and universalizing of Personhood's cancer-of-cancers?

If you had a gun pointed at the Form of Personhood, would you pull the Platonic trigger?

>>20176745
This tradlarping shit is honestly getting so gay, an utter mockery of the faith

What is some actually worthwhile Christian literature? I don't mean any kind of debates over theological minutia or proselytizing tracts, I mean stuff that actually reflects the philosophical heart of the religion.