/lit/ - Literature

>>20280417
>That said, I agree they're still all also in some ways drawing from Enlightenment Liberal values emphasizing the primacy of the individual.
On the other hand, I might say LGBT is more collectivist in the sense of a tribal or collective identity as opposed to true individualism.

>>20280576
>As a “community” the LGBT is completely arbitrary.
Well, they might all be arbitrary or "socially constructed" at some level. But I think it's basically a politicized one that exists in a "unity of opposites" with right-wing Evangelical Christianity; i.e. both are opposing and depending on each other while existing within a field of tension, so it's also no surprise that we see the development of the LGBT "community" at the same time as the politicization of Evangelical Christians as a distinct constituency.

>>20281516
>There was never a society where people explicitly craved revolutionary marxism and accepted it of their own volition.
Not sure about that one. I think there were a lot of people in some countries who really bought it:

https://youtu.be/0APRjsyrzjY?t=1913

>Like how the fuck do you weave this pathos-laden tale about being the troo rebels which the establishment fears while also being the heads of the post-WW2 brainwashing program in western germany and the USA
Well, I think the obvious answer is that you can't. Unless you're actually in a jungle command post somewhere then I think anyone calling themselves a "troo rebel" is LARPing at some level. But that was still happening in the world in the 60s. But the way I've come to think, is that it might not necessarily be a good thing if the establishment fears you. It might be better if they don't... even if they should, if that makes sense?

More practically, the establishment has constructed a lot of dissent in the language of "terrorism" and then using expanded policing powers to go after people. I think this is one reason why the left has given up armed struggle in most places in the world -- in addition to just being flat-out exhausted after years of engaging in it. I'm thinking of Colombia for example with the FARC which was a Marxist-Leninist rebel group who were actually in the jungle waging an armed struggle with the state. But I've heard down the grapevine that one of the reasons they gave it up is because they realized their existence had become a useful bogeyman for the right-wing government there which, in addition to being involved in the drug trade itself, was receiving a flow of weapons and cash from the U.S. government. To make a long story short, after the rebels demobilized, they've been seeing their members getting assassinated in the middle of the night, and the theory is that the government and off-the-books death squads known as BACRIMs are trying to push them into picking up the gun again so they will continue "playing their part" in this whole ugly game.

>>19735495
It's also worth noting (something I've seen anecdotally) that the Frankfurt School seems to have a better reception today in "modernist / Marxist" China with Adorno conferences and Marcuse's "One-Dimensional Man" being on Xi Jinping's booklist.

>>19487822
He sounds more based the more I read about him. Like, this nutty little Jewish professor in Germany cooked up some witch's brew in his pot to destroy western civilization and that meme about him not liking jazz wasn't actually true, he just wanted to push it to the maxx. Anyways there was a similar pathology on the left a few years ago about Jordan Peterson being this malevolent force responsible for various ills, which is easy to believe, but maybe he was just a professor.

https://youtu.be/G55GspnNkBo

>>19474509
>I forget which theorist off the top of my head (I think it was Adorno, but I could be wrong) called for a return to classic literature instead of the easier form of movies and TV.
https://youtu.be/CGo6F5zSb-g

>>19474535
>There are basically no Marxists to be found anywhere, I dare say even in China. People use the aesthetics but they are completely un-Marxist.
How so?

>>19474594
>I do envy China in some ways, but coincidentally I happened to interact with a bunch of elite CCP kids. They are literally undistinguishable from the most degenerate, superficial and autistic Western zoomers you can imagine.
In what way? Well, it shouldn't come as a surprise that a right-wing Western ideologies positing a hierarchy of cultures and civilizations which puts da West and European-derived civilizations (i.e. white people) at the top of a global pecking order would land with Chinese kids with a big fat dud.

>>19474688
>The Maoist youth of the Cultural Revolution would never have even been capable of imagining incel Chinese weeb NEETs - yet these people are a real and sizeable group.
Perhaps China's youth of today are more knowledgeable than the youth of the Cultural Revolution. Let's not overly romanticize the Cultural Revolution.

>>19475812
>You people always whine about how Marxists are different from liberal SJWs and that the two should not be conflated.
If we divide the world system into the center and peripheral, where the center controls most of the resources and is on the top of the hierarchy while the peripheral is exploited, then "cultural Marxism" is essentially just the whining of the center's shareholders.

For the trad boys, consider the center as a typical Catholic Church while the peripheral is the brainwashed and oppressed peasants. The Catholic Church owns the property, is granted privileges and tax exemptions, justifies a monarchy, and charges the peasants a price for tickets to heaven. But at the same time, those priests are "sympathizing" with the peasants without taking any meaningful action other than just praying to God or even blaming God for why the peasants have problems. Naturally, and secretly, the priests still mess with little boys while confessing their sins and asking for forgiveness.

So, cultural Marxism in relation to the world system externally and also society internally is the whining from the priests. Cultural Marxists do not realize that they are actually also the shareholders of the system, just not high enough as the pope or a bishop. They are a part of the problem which they hilariously propose to solve. They do not plan to overthrow the "church," nor do they plan to give up their privileges by descending themselves to the level of peasants, so all they can do is whine about some metaphysical, abstract concepts and terminologies that do not mean anything to our world.

>>18979593
Hey, Francis Fukuyama here. Yes, Marxism is dead. Finished. Kaputten! There's nothing to worry about. I know a lot of comfortable Western intellectuals who get paid to make gnomic observations about the world, and they all realize there's no chance Marxism will make a comeback even though the Communist Party of China is cranking out thousands of graduates with degrees in applied Marxism with assembly-line efficiency and with an economy soon to overtake the U.S. in terms of share of global GDP.

But nobody takes them seriously. Liberalism is the End of History. It's the future, if liberalism can be said to have a future, or have any idea about where to go. That's the way it works, pal. My name is Francis Fukuyama and now I'm gonna get back on my broom and fly back to troll town.

https://youtu.be/AXW2R42mk0E