/lit/ - Literature

How good is he? What's your favourite dialogue? Was he wrong? Was he right? What's the best reading order?

>>22440582
>Who right?
Plato

>>21999574
SOCRATES: My dear Glaucon, have you ever considered the wondrous nature of dragons and the extent of their magnificence?

GLAUCON: Indeed, Socrates, I have heard tales of these mythical beasts but have never had the fortune to witness their prowess firsthand. Pray tell, what insights do you have on the subject?

SOCRATES: Let us examine the dragon, a creature of immense power and wisdom, which seems to defy our very understanding of the natural world. Consider, for a moment, their extraordinary abilities. They possess the gift of flight, their wings carrying them to heights unreachable by man. Is this not a quality we may admire?

GLAUCON: Indeed, Socrates, it is a gift to be envied.

SOCRATES: Furthermore, these creatures wield the power of fire, breathing flames that can lay waste to entire cities or forge the mightiest of metals. Is there not something awe-inspiring in the mastery of such an element?

GLAUCON: Yes, Socrates, it is a power unmatched by any mortal.

SOCRATES: Now, Glaucon, let us not overlook their intellect. Dragons possess a wisdom far surpassing that of any ordinary beast. They are often portrayed as cunning and knowledgeable, capable of speech and even riddles. Would you not agree that this combination of wisdom and power embodies a sense of greatness?

GLAUCON: Indeed, Socrates, it seems that dragons are the pinnacle of what one might consider majestic and mighty.

SOCRATES: And so, my dear Glaucon, in contemplating the nature of dragons, we may find inspiration to strive for wisdom and power, for they symbolize the highest achievements of greatness that we, as humans, may aspire to. Can we not learn from these noble creatures and seek to cultivate within ourselves the qualities that make them so awe-inspiring and, dare I say, badass?

By the Greek philosophers, which works in specific are considered essential in regards to understanding the philsophers who built their ideas upon and in responds to their foundational bedrock of philosophy?

(And if you know any editions in specific which have notes or extra content, please let me know)

- A starving student

Does the soul and exist and is it immortal? I just read Phaedo and Im not convinced. I guess my materialist notion of reality is getting in the way.

>>18507339
OP here, I posted the wrong picture, sorry

>Hey what if I made up a bunch of stories about Aristotle totally owning strawmen in fictional debates.

Do you think he would have liked anime?

He wouldn't have lasted more than two days in a prehistoric tribe. Cavemen would have beaten him to death.

>We live in a simulation bro
The First Pseud

No private property, living a “communal life”, brainwashed & rewriting history with “noble lies”. Seems like this mf started the spark that led to communism or at least that someone drew heavy influence from his work.

I started reading some Plato dialogues. I've read so far Apology, Crito and Euthyphro. Where do I go from here? I'm planning to read Phaedo next.

You're all retarded.
Art has not degenerated, art is degenerate in itself.

So i read Apology, Crito, Euthyphoro, Phaedo, Symposium. Whats next? I know there is lot more to Plato but what? Should i start with the Republic?

When are you supposed to move on?
>inb4 u don't

>>16038774
Complete idiots think this is deep because they don't think.
>Can God make a rock so big that he cannot lift it
Let's Unpack This (TM)
>cannot lift it
This is a qualitative assessment of his interaction with the rock, not a distinct physical quality. A rock cannot possess a quality of "one's inability to lift it". A rock simply possesses "heaviness" or "lightness", or if you're a disgusting monoweightist it possesses "heaviness" alone in varying degrees. In a sense, the heaviest rock possible is composed entirely of heaviness and none of lightness, or it is composed of an unlimited amount of heaviness. One may be described as having "strength" or "weakness", but one does not possess the quality of "able to lift rocks"; surely it would be ridiculous to say that a man can lift a branch or a box but not a rock of lighter weight. A person who possesses some great enough strength is therefore able to lift objects of a certain heaviness, and so while someone might appear to have the quality of "able to lift rocks" what they really have is the quality of strength in great enough amounts to lift some rocks with less than some certain quantity of heaviness. A being who is omnipotent has an unlimited amount of strength. Since "ability to lift a rock" is not a true intrinsic quality but is itself the result of more basic properties, namely strength its comparison to the heaviness of an object being interacted with, we must use unlimited strength to determine ones ability to lift a rock. If one's strength is unlimited, then necessarily the weight of rocks they can lift is also unlimited. And so therefore one can readily and happily reply to "Can God make a rock so big that he cannot lift it" with "You are a complete mouth-breathing imbecile who routinely eats the feces of cows like a base animal. No, he can't, because his strength is unlimited and there is no such thing as a rock so heavy God can't lift it."

>>15405931
Knowledge is just recollection of the forms

How young is too young to read Plato?

Why aren't you reading Platon RIGHT NOW?

I've often seen people being very cynical about Plato's work. Claiming that he abuses Socrates as a vessel to propagate his own teachings as well as Socrates being dishonest and the dialogues using strawmen of his opponents to make Plato/Socrates look correct. I'd like to know what you think about this. The fact that Plato dedicated his entire work to him and only inserts himself in one or two dialogues as an unknown side character comes across to me like he really held Socrates in highest regards as genuine friend.

>I know a tree is a tree
>That's why there exists a God

Is there a bigger brainlet leap in philosophy?

>OH MY FUCKING GODS IS THAT A FUCKING FEATHERLESS COCK GODS BE BLESSED SAY HELLO TO MY BEST MAN COCK A DOODLE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!