/lit/ - Literature

>>19463438
Grazie per aver sollevato le tue preoccupazioni. Se vuoi che ti aiuti, forse puoi spiegare esattamente come la visione cattolica degli scontri umani si scontra con una visione a 360 gradi? A me sembra un sistema completo che risponde alle stesse domande che fanno gli indù, ma con un'autorità esterna, ovvero l'episteme storica della risurrezione di Gesù. Nell'Induismo, basta prendere le parole dei saggi "illuminati", anche quando sono reciprocamente contraddittorie (ad esempio, Buddha come saggio sramanico che insegna in modo diverso da Adi Shankara). E come hai detto tu, ovviamente ogni religione ha i suoi intriganti e ladri, ma come hai detto tu, non caratterizzano la dottrina stessa.

Non parlo italiano, quindi puoi rispondere in inglese?

>>19371455
>So you can't name a single scholar of Christian origins and you didn't even try to.
Eusebius is the foremost scholar of Early Christian history.
>They actually don't know anything about Christian history and don't even pretend to.
I believe I know quite a lot about it, from the apostolic era, to the councils, to the post-Nicene fathers and their teachings, to the Christological and soteriological controversies. Are you sure you aren't projecting?
>By Christian history they mean their cults propaganda and nothing else
All Christian historians today will use Eusebius as a source, so I'm not sure what you are implying, here.
>Catholic propaganda has no relationship to reality.
What claim are you referencing?
>Open any textbook of Christianity and this is apparent.
Care to reference one single point of Catholic teaching that you believe is rebutted by consensus scholarship?
>The pride in being unwilling to even engage with a single academic historian living today is telling when it comes to what they really believe.
I'm willing to engage with any point you put forward, but so far, it is mostly just a diatribe of your personal feelings (which, no offence, are not really interesting to me).
>They know their cult doesn't hold up to scrutiny
Again, care to name a single point that you believe is debunked by consensus scholarship?
>produce current historical sources supporting the assertion that history agrees with catholic propaganda
There are many Catholic claims, and without making a single point, how can I rebut you? You have to make an argument before I can rebut it.
>The truth is not even catholic scholars agree with the official line
Again, make your point, or just write this in your diary - I am only interesting in your argument, not your feelings and opinions.

>>19055780
I'm >>19055411, and that is the "story".
We believe, in accordance with Christ and the apostolic traditions, that "[...] a friend of the world is appointed an enemy of God", and "If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world".

And yet, unlike the gnostics, we do not believe that the material world is evil or corrupted per se, nor do we run away from its suffering and only worry about achieving "gnosis". The goal of the Christian life is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit, which manifests itself in works described by Christ:

>>19055797
>can't refute argument
31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

>>19055788
These responses aren't for you, they are to show everybody who isn't a part of your heresy that your belief system is spiritually impotent, cowardly, anti-Christian, and quite frankly, for faggots.

St. Irenaeus was a great saint, martyr, and ante-Nicene church father. He was the disciple of St. Polycarp, who was the disciple of St. John the Evangelist, who was the disciple of Jesus - and is essentially one of the earliest witnesses to the Johannine apostolic tradition who summarized the essentials.

He wrote a short book detailing the story of salvation, and how it comes to its fulfillment in the life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I think it's a great place to start, seeing as it will show you the basics of Old Testament typology, trinitarian theology, Christology, etc.

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/irenaeus/demonstr.iv.html

"But since at this present time we are parted from one another in the body, yet according to our power we will not fail to speak with you a little by writing, and to show forth in brief the preaching of the truth for the confirmation of your faith.
We send you as it were a manual of essentials, that by little you may attain to much, learning in short space all the members of the body of the truth, and receiving in brief the demonstration of the things of God. So shall it be fruitful to your own salvation, and you shall put to shame all who inculcate falsehood".

After reading this, you should be able to read the Bible cover to cover. You should also check out the Apostolic Fathers. Godspeed, brother.