/lit/ - Literature

>>19594100
pic related. Celsus, probably.

>>6219575
My own power of Reason and Rationality

>>6130303
>missing the point
I haven't put a definition of consciousness, I'm saying how we use the word normally doesn't entail any further questions that need to be explored. You're the one who's asserting the existence of this thing called "consciousness" and then saying "oooh how mysterious!"
>I can conceive of someone experiencing as green what is red to me
You can also conceive of yourself not having a brain. It's scientifically impossible, but not logically impossible. You can conceive of a situation where you get an MRI scan and the doctor says "sorry, you don't have a brain" (I wouldn't be surprised in your case, frankly). But entertaining this situations serves little purpose.
>I can also conceive of a qualia-free universe
That makes no sense. That's like conceiving of the experience of being dead.
>If I touch frozen water, it would surprise me to find it wet. Likewise, steam isn't wet, even though it's gaseous water. Why shouldn't we find wetness strange? Is this a moral commandment, or do you just want us to agree with you that it makes no sense to think water could be in a condition where it isn't wet, or that we could never conceivably be in a state where we find the wetness of water mystifying?
You've completely changed the subject. H2O molecules in such a state where it's liquid, ok? The fact that that would be wet is not mysterious at all, and so shouldn't raise any questions. Likewise, a fully functioning, awake, human being tasting wine shouldn't surprise us that it experiences the qualitative taste.

Thus, there is no problem worth exploring.

>>5982977
>The Bible, because anyone who ACTUALLY reads it will know how ridiculous religion is